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UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:05 PM

When Kerry gets in (which looks likely at the moment) what the hell are moveon gonna do with their lives? Who will they be able to piss and moan about? What will they do with their time if they can't go to demos to protest about the government? What will Fat Bastard be able to make films about?

Shit - if Kerry gets in it will mean the death of the protest industry! Xerox will go down the tubes because none of those shitty little pamphlets saying shit like "NOT IN MY NAME" will be printed. The teeshirt and button industries will be fucked too.

A nation of stroppy politicized college kids will go back to laying around, picking their acne and getting stoned (so at least MacDonalds will do well).

Actually, this IS a serious post. Kerry is being swept into office on a tidal wave of cash and publicity provided by the left, but will he deliver the things they care passionately about? Will he ban the death penalty? Will he ban guns? What about abortion? Taxes?

Will he be too scared to do anything controversial for fear of upsetting people?

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:06 PM

if

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:10 PM

Jeff_Fries said:
if



is the middle word in....biff

minimalism

minimalism

Argentina
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2004 03:12 PM

I can't fucking wait.

Maurauder

Maurauder

I'm lost
August 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:14 PM

There will be plenty to protest. The ultra left (like me) will move back to the ultra left and continue our work to bring this country with us. biggrin

As a side note, I just realized that when Kerry gets elected we will also have the first African American first lady in our nations history. smile

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:15 PM

UpTight said:
A nation of stroppy politicized college kids will go back to laying around, picking their acne and getting stoned (so at least MacDonalds will do well).

Actually, this IS a serious post. Kerry is being swept into office on a tidal wave of cash and publicity provided by the left, but will he deliver the things they care passionately about? Will he ban the death penalty? Will he ban guns? What about abortion? Taxes?

Will he be too scared to do anything controversial for fear of upsetting people?



You can see Kerry's platform here. It explains his positions on some of the issues that you've brought up. Keep in mind though - the president can't just unilaterally write and approve new legislation. He can submit legislation, but it needs to be approved by Congress and the Senate. And right now, anyway, both of those houses are controlled by the Republicans. While the Senate may (or may not, we'll see) end up going to the Dems, it seems unlikely the house will. IN which case he'll have to compromise if he wants to get anything at all accomplished.

As for the protestors... there are always issues that people feel strongly about. Even if Kerry wins it's not like all of this issues are going to be immediately resolved.

RubberSoul

RubberSoul

Los Angeles, CA
February 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:17 PM

Don't they have newspapers in the UK?

sgood112400

sgood112400

Grapevine, TX
July 2004

JUL 28, 2004 03:18 PM

Kerry getting in looks anything but likely right now. Not sure where that assumption came from, but its not from any polling.

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

JUL 28, 2004 03:21 PM

Once they realize Kerry is another rich white politician with corporate connections oppressing the middle class they will try to get Nader elected again.

minimalism

minimalism

Argentina
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2004 03:21 PM

ScottInDallas said:
Kerry getting in looks anything but likely right now. Not sure where that assumption came from, but its not from any polling.



Try tuning in to something beside the "fair and balanced' Fox News Network for a change. Maybe not, the shock of reality might be too much for you.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:25 PM

so...ladies and gentlemen....will Kerry ban guns and the death penalty?

sgood112400

sgood112400

Grapevine, TX
July 2004

JUL 28, 2004 03:26 PM

Guess again Jersey - my info isn't from Fox...though it appears you could learn a thing or two by watching. Its still neck and neck at this point (no big lead for Kerry). And there was no pre-DNC boost: two things that didn't happen that usually do.

Those things don't bode well for Kerry, regardless of what news channel you watch.

[Edited on Jul 28, 2004 by ScottInDallas]

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

JUL 28, 2004 03:26 PM

^^^ Usually the Chicago Tribune and Sun-times are pretty fair, and they all shows polls about dead equal.

Not to mention polls are never actually all the predictable. Candidates have gone into elections with 10-15 point leads and lost.

LucidApathy

LucidApathy

Los Angeles, CA
September 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:35 PM

maurauder said:
As a side note, I just realized that when Kerry gets elected we will also have the first African American first lady in our nations history. smile



I was all about to argue that fact, then I realized technically you are correct. Society has people (myself included) so conditioned to think that African American means black, that those African Americans (a close friend of mine inclusive of this) can also be white.

RubberSoul

RubberSoul

Los Angeles, CA
February 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:39 PM

UpTight said:
so...ladies and gentlemen....will Kerry ban guns and the death penalty?



I hope he just bans wild-eyed Muslim terrorists and in-bred anti-abortion protestors.

luckyride

luckyride

Portland, OR
May 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:39 PM

ScottInDallas said:
Guess again Jersey - my info isn't from Fox...though it appears you could learn a thing or two by watching. Its still neck and neck at this point (no big lead for Kerry). And there was no pre-DNC boost: two things that didn't happen that usually do.

Those things don't bode well for Kerry, regardless of what news channel you watch.

[Edited on Jul 28, 2004 by ScottInDallas]




how do bush's numbers look compare to past incumbents? not very good.

Pollsters: Kerry aside, Bush is in trouble

[Edited on Jul 28, 2004 by whiterabbit]

legionnaire

legionnaire

Belgium
November 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:48 PM

UpTight said:
so...ladies and gentlemen....will Kerry ban guns and the death penalty?



Those are the sorts of issues that will be decided by the courts rather than by the executive branch. Even if Kerry had the whole legislature in his back pocket, and passed a bill making guns illegal, it would take about 5 minutes for the NRA to file a lawsuit claiming that the law is unconstitutional, and based on virtually all Supreme Court case law on the subject, the NRA would win.

As for the death penalty, it's a state issue that I don't believe the Federal government has any jurisdiction over. The only thing Kerry could do would be to appoint an Attorney General who opposed the death penalty, who would then request that all state Attorneys General not pursue that punishment in their cases.

Poser

Poser

Tampa, FL
May 2003

JUL 28, 2004 03:50 PM

Jeff_Fries said:
if




quite so..in case you heard the electronic ballets in Dade County Florida crashed and deleted all entries.

Question for everyone..can you do a provisional ballot as opposed to something electronic?

JohnClement

JohnClement

Silver Spring, MD
January 2004

JUL 28, 2004 04:29 PM

ScottInDallas said:
Guess again Jersey - my info isn't from Fox...though it appears you could learn a thing or two by watching. Its still neck and neck at this point (no big lead for Kerry). And there was no pre-DNC boost: two things that didn't happen that usually do.

Those things don't bode well for Kerry, regardless of what news channel you watch.

[Edited on Jul 28, 2004 by ScottInDallas]



The bump usually comes after the convention

and you only named one event, not two. usually neck-and-neck isn't an event

[Edited on Jul 28, 2004 by BillHaverchuck]

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

JUL 28, 2004 04:31 PM

UpTight said:
When Kerry gets in (which looks likely at the moment) what the hell are moveon gonna do with their lives? Who will they be able to piss and moan about? What will they do with their time if they can't go to demos to protest about the government? What will Fat Bastard be able to make films about?

Shit - if Kerry gets in it will mean the death of the protest industry! Xerox will go down the tubes because none of those shitty little pamphlets saying shit like "NOT IN MY NAME" will be printed. The teeshirt and button industries will be fucked too.

A nation of stroppy politicized college kids will go back to laying around, picking their acne and getting stoned (so at least MacDonalds will do well).

Actually, this IS a serious post. Kerry is being swept into office on a tidal wave of cash and publicity provided by the left, but will he deliver the things they care passionately about? Will he ban the death penalty? Will he ban guns? What about abortion? Taxes?

Will he be too scared to do anything controversial for fear of upsetting people?



Wow...that's serious? In what way is that serious...and why do you care so much?

Coliwali

Coliwali

I'm lost
February 2003

JUL 28, 2004 04:35 PM

legionnaire said:
As for the death penalty, it's a state issue that I don't believe the Federal government has any jurisdiction over. The only thing Kerry could do would be to appoint an Attorney General who opposed the death penalty, who would then request that all state Attorneys General not pursue that punishment in their cases.



What about federal cases that involve the death penalty? There are not many, but he should be able to ban those right?

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JUL 28, 2004 06:10 PM

UpTight said:
Kerry is being swept into office on a tidal wave of cash and publicity provided by the left,


Since when did the LEFT have more money than the right? whatever

68stretch

68stretch

Portland, OR
March 2003

JUL 28, 2004 06:49 PM

Well, the rightists didn't seem to have trouble finding things to do with their pathetic, trite, little lives after Bush was appointed

Gaiseric

gaiseric

Eugene, OR
July 2003

JUL 28, 2004 07:01 PM

Coli

I think that the Death Penalty is written into Federal Law. (Terrorism being one of the possible reasons) And while he could have his Justice Department issue guidance that he didn't want the death penalty sought in Federal cases he couldn't remove it from the law. That would either be Congress, or the Supreme Court.

And I think that Vegas currently has the odds running 51-49 in favor of Bush.

[Edited on Jul 28, 2004 by gaiseric]

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUL 28, 2004 07:02 PM

when kerry wins, people will still protest in the US, but the protests will be directed towards issues and systemic problems, like the drug war or health care.

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