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vader

vader

Las Vegas, NV
OLD SKOOL

JUL 22, 2004 01:22 PM

Verizon Communications, in hopes of challenging rivals such as AT&T, has taken a delve into the realm of internet-based telephone service.

The new service, entitled VoiceWing, is currently available in 33 states at prices ranging from $34.95-$39.95 per month.

Bob Ingalls, president of Verizon's Retail Markets group, had this to say:

VoiceWing will bring us new broadband and voice services customers, and it will give our existing customers new ways to get the most from their broadband connections.

Services such as VoiceWing utilize a technology known as voice over internet protocol, or VOIP, to transmit phone calls in the same manner web pages and e-mail are sent throughout the internet. This technology makes VOIP calls considerably less expensive than traditional phone calls, which require dedicated circuits for each individual connection.

Editor's note: There must be a market, so is anyone out there interested in using this? It seems to me like a service that cell phones have already made unnesessary.

Trevallion

Trevallion

Murfreesboro, TN
February 2004

JUL 22, 2004 01:27 PM

so they're gonna get rid of telephone wires? awesome.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUL 22, 2004 01:35 PM

yeah, editor's note, the eventual application for this is using your phone in wi-fi hotspots. so if you have an apple airport or another 802.11 network at home, you could theoretically use your home network for free to talk on the phone, or walk outside and hand-off to a public wireless network.

also, there's a lot of speculation that 802.11 can be deployed faster and cheaper than any of the competing 3G and upcoming 4G phone services. so customers can have high speed data from their phones or pdas, and use VOIP, using the same network protocol and the same device.

i posted a news article a while back about how wi-fi phones with VOIP will enable crafty individuals to set up their own open phone networks, and how that's really fucking cool. this article is about a commercial VOIP product, but it's still good to see the technology getting out there.

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

JUL 22, 2004 01:40 PM

vader said:
Verizon Communications, in hopes of challenging rivals such as AT&T, has taken a delve into the realm of internet-based telephone service.

The new service, entitled VoiceWing, is currently available in 33 states at prices ranging from $34.95-$39.95 per month.

Bob Ingalls, president of Verizon's Retail Markets group, had this to say:

VoiceWing will bring us new broadband and voice services customers, and it will give our existing customers new ways to get the most from their broadband connections.

Services such as VoiceWing utilize a technology known as voice over internet protocol, or VOIP, to transmit phone calls in the same manner web pages and e-mail are sent throughout the internet. This technology makes VOIP calls considerably less expensive than traditional phone calls, which require dedicated circuits for each individual connection.

Editor's note: There must be a market, so is anyone out there interested in using this? It seems to me like a service that cell phones have already made unnesessary.



Lingo is a much better deal, though. $19.95 unlimited to U.S., Canada, and Western Europe, plus Caller ID, Call Waiting, blah blah blah, etc. Even cheaper for 500 minutes.

Bridget

Bridget

HOPEFUL

Nauru

JUL 22, 2004 01:44 PM

That kinda got me hot.

s5 said:
yeah, editor's note, the eventual application for this is using your phone in wi-fi hotspots. so if you have an apple airport or another 802.11 network at home, you could theoretically use your home network for free to talk on the phone, or walk outside and hand-off to a public wireless network.

also, there's a lot of speculation that 802.11 can be deployed faster and cheaper than any of the competing 3G and upcoming 4G phone services. so customers can have high speed data from their phones or pdas, and use VOIP, using the same network protocol and the same device.

i posted a news article a while back about how wi-fi phones with VOIP will enable crafty individuals to set up their own open phone networks, and how that's really fucking cool. this article is about a commercial VOIP product, but it's still good to see the technology getting out there.

Gwendolyn

Gwendolyn

SUICIDEGIRL

Indiana, USA

JUL 22, 2004 03:12 PM

s5 said:
yeah, editor's note, the eventual application for this is using your phone in wi-fi hotspots. so if you have an apple airport or another 802.11 network at home, you could theoretically use your home network for free to talk on the phone, or walk outside and hand-off to a public wireless network.

also, there's a lot of speculation that 802.11 can be deployed faster and cheaper than any of the competing 3G and upcoming 4G phone services. so customers can have high speed data from their phones or pdas, and use VOIP, using the same network protocol and the same device.

i posted a news article a while back about how wi-fi phones with VOIP will enable crafty individuals to set up their own open phone networks, and how that's really fucking cool. this article is about a commercial VOIP product, but it's still good to see the technology getting out there.



s5, you are smart. And very informative. Thanks for the information, because I now understand, and I wasn't really getting the point before. smile

Flannery

Flannery

Havertown, PA
March 2004

JUL 22, 2004 03:25 PM

repealed for stupidity

[Edited on Jul 22, 2004 by scrantonian]

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 22, 2004 03:51 PM

s5 said:
yeah, editor's note, the eventual application for this is using your phone in wi-fi hotspots. so if you have an apple airport or another 802.11 network at home, you could theoretically use your home network for free to talk on the phone, or walk outside and hand-off to a public wireless network.

also, there's a lot of speculation that 802.11 can be deployed faster and cheaper than any of the competing 3G and upcoming 4G phone services. so customers can have high speed data from their phones or pdas, and use VOIP, using the same network protocol and the same device.

i posted a news article a while back about how wi-fi phones with VOIP will enable crafty individuals to set up their own open phone networks, and how that's really fucking cool. this article is about a commercial VOIP product, but it's still good to see the technology getting out there.



Well, before all that, it serves as a consolidation of the communications infrastructure. The use of switchable communications protocols rather than direct circuits allows for a more flexible, extensible, and inexpensive infastructure.
With VOIP, adding a second line would be as simple as apportioning more IP addresses.

swingkitten

swingkitten

Portland, OR
OLD SKOOL

JUL 22, 2004 04:20 PM

I hate Verizon.

Only because they cut off our phone service today, but I do.

Hyperboy

Hyperboy

I'm lost
June 2004

JUL 22, 2004 11:45 PM

Verizon is simply talking about using broadband connections at the moment to use VoIP... the problem I see with this is that their pricing is so much higher than everyone else in this market. True to form, Verizon prices themselves out.

Now admittedly, I have Verizon, and I have never had better performance from a carrier before, but still... why do I have to pay more for less?

Vonage offers the same service, starting out at 14.99 ... where is the upgrades that Verizon provides that make it worth your while?

fiendish

fiendish

USA
December 2002

JUL 23, 2004 01:46 PM

one step closer to getting rid of land lines and 1000s of employees being out of a job.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUL 23, 2004 02:15 PM

fiendish said:
one step closer to getting rid of land lines and 1000s of employees being out of a job.



and 1000s of employees getting new jobs in new industries.

Trevor

Trevor

Colorado Springs, CO
July 2003

JUL 23, 2004 02:23 PM

VoIP is a wonderful thing, but yeah... price will need to drop. We used a Cisco system in Afghanistan hooked up by satellite to use for morale calls. Worked great, and I'm excited to see where they go with the WiFi angle. If they had a phone that worked with my current Airport Extreme basestation, I'd be all over it like white on rice.

-Trevor

fiendish

fiendish

USA
December 2002

JUL 24, 2004 05:13 AM

s5 said:

fiendish said:
one step closer to getting rid of land lines and 1000s of employees being out of a job.



and 1000s of employees getting new jobs in new industries.



those words are more idealistic then realistic surreal

[Edited on Jul 24, 2004 by fiendish]

StudentDriver

StudentDriver

Greenwood, IN
June 2004

JUL 24, 2004 09:42 AM

fiendish said:

s5 said:

fiendish said:
one step closer to getting rid of land lines and 1000s of employees being out of a job.



and 1000s of employees getting new jobs in new industries.



those words are more idealistic then realistic surreal

[Edited on Jul 24, 2004 by fiendish]



Should technology cease to advance solely to maintain old-industry jobs? To trot out the hoary cliche, a lot of buggy whip manufacturers went out of business when automobiles took off.

It's a shame when people lose jobs due to obsolescence, but it's a hazard of working in any sort of industry. The writing's been on the wall for traditional phone technologies and companies since deregulation in the 1980s.

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 24, 2004 10:02 AM

fiendish said:



those words are more idealistic then realistic surreal

[Edited on Jul 24, 2004 by fiendish]



Not really, technologies such as this generally create more jobs than they displace.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUL 24, 2004 05:09 PM

fiendish said:

s5 said:

fiendish said:
one step closer to getting rid of land lines and 1000s of employees being out of a job.



and 1000s of employees getting new jobs in new industries.



those words are more idealistic then realistic surreal



then how do you explain the last 100 years?

or hell, go back 5 years. the internet may have made things difficult for librarians, but it's created jobs for hundreds of thousands, probably even millions or tens of millions of people.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUL 24, 2004 05:13 PM

another thing to remember is that businesses can easily adapt. look at how often businesses change their business models and product offerings to adapt to new technologies. it usually makes more sense (and costs less) for them to train people they already have. a telephone company can easily adapt and become a broadband company that also sells VOIP, and those same employees can keep their jobs installing network lines for new customers.

Trevallion

Trevallion

Murfreesboro, TN
February 2004

JUL 24, 2004 05:25 PM

s5 said:
or hell, go back 5 years. the internet may have made things difficult for librarians, but it's created jobs for hundreds of thousands, probably even millions or tens of millions of people.



How would YOU know that?

wink wink wink

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 24, 2004 06:19 PM

Well, at my company, we currently use Vonage for VoIP. It's not just for the super-cool stuff s5 was talking about as Helter pointed out, it's also a valid and useful replacement for normal phone service [in theory]. You get a phone number that's not tied to a location, so moving offices is a snap, and you can get numbers in different area codes than the one you're physically located in. You don't (as mentioned) pay extra for long distance, and you can easily get a toll-free number so people don't rack up long distance tolls to you.

All great features...if it fucking worked.

We've had nothing but problems with Vonage...dropped calls, static, interference caused by normal network usage (downloading/uploading files, checking e-mail, surfing the web, etc.), one phone number that has never worked at all (doesn't even ring or go to voicemail), and Vonage's support has been pathetic.

Hopefully the Verizon service would be a bit more stable, and their support more helpful. I never had a problem with their cell phone service except billing (which was eventually why I left them), and their support was always pretty good, so we'll see.

I, for one, would be willing to pay a bit more for VoIP service that worked, and their prices aren't unreasonable.

[Edited on Jul 24, 2004 by bean]

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

JUL 25, 2004 12:50 PM

halcyonschism said:
VoIP is a wonderful thing, but yeah... price will need to drop.



Again, Lingo is a great deal, much better than any others I've seen. 20 bucks/mo., unlimited US/Canada/Western Europe, all the usual bells and whistles, plus other stuff.

Helter

Helter

Chester, PA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 25, 2004 07:44 PM

saucy_son said:
Again, Lingo is a great deal, much better than any others I've seen. 20 bucks/mo., unlimited US/Canada/Western Europe, all the usual bells and whistles, plus other stuff.



How's the service?

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

JUL 27, 2004 12:15 PM

Helter said:

saucy_son said:
Again, Lingo is a great deal, much better than any others I've seen. 20 bucks/mo., unlimited US/Canada/Western Europe, all the usual bells and whistles, plus other stuff.



How's the service?



Good.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JUL 27, 2004 12:20 PM

saucy_son said:
Again, Lingo is a great deal, much better than any others I've seen. 20 bucks/mo., unlimited US/Canada/Western Europe, all the usual bells and whistles, plus other stuff.



too bad they don't include australia and new zealand. someone should put together an "anglosphere" VOIP package.

Hyperboy

Hyperboy

I'm lost
June 2004

JUL 29, 2004 10:32 PM

s5 said:

saucy_son said:
Again, Lingo is a great deal, much better than any others I've seen. 20 bucks/mo., unlimited US/Canada/Western Europe, all the usual bells and whistles, plus other stuff.



too bad they don't include australia and new zealand. someone should put together an "anglosphere" VOIP package.



hehe... I was JUST thinking the same thing. I have a particularly hot female friend that I would LOVE to talk to on the phone, but it costs fuckin 3 dolla/minute just to call! ugh... or 16 cents a minute if you use a prepaid calling card from some remote company that I have no clue if it would even work lol!