NEWS: P. Diddy Dives Into Political Fray

Now if his music would stop sucking so god damn much....

I hear ya!

Apparently it hasn't discouraged you.

wow.

wow.

stock, i am getting this feeling.. this very uncomfortable rush from my chest outwards.. it's the feeling that always accompanies extreme disbelief and frustration for me.

i am shocked at the things you said. they're disturbing and bordering on, no fuck it, they are racist. i can't beleive you're the same guy who dared, dared to call me a bigot. unreal.

what are you so afraid of? are you really afraid that "uninformed" voters will be voting? or is it just that you know who they'll vote for after they get informed?

[Edited on Jul 21, 2004 by lostarchitect]

I think the real question here is, if P Diddy succeeds in getting a candidate elected, will he insist on being in all the videos?

Oh, wait. Nevermind

these people (aka: young african americans) shouldnt be encouraged to vote? perhaps their lack of interest in the vote has something to do with their idea that their vote doesnt mean anything? i wonder who gave them that idea?

i personally think that this is a sect of the american population that is rarely heard during election time and that means something.

i would ask stockula who he deems educated and worthy enough to vote in this democracy but i'm sure he's run off by now. . . .

I'm surprised no one said this sooner. Here's my reply:

Fuck you.

Call me anti-democratic or elitist, but dont call me racist. I knew my opinions would be construed that way though.

[Edited on Jul 22, 2004 by stockula]

now THERE'S an enlightened response from the guy who called me a bigot (for saying that newspapers are often liberal to protect their own rights).

i await an explanation from you telling us all EXACTLY WHY what you said wasn't racist.

although i suppose i'm wasting my time trying to get a real answer out of the likes of you.






[Edited on Jul 22, 2004 by lostarchitect]

i tend to ride the fence in a lot of this debate, political or otherwise. there are some things i'm blatantly conservative on (i.e., my right to own a gun or SUV) and completely liberal on (i.e., let gay marriages happen, stop urban sprawl, stop attacking countries for political gain, etc etc).

but i will say that just because someone accuses someone of being a racist doesn't mean its true. the burden of proof lies with the accuser and not the accused.

the kind of thinking where one accuses another of something dire then assumes guilt until proven innocent is both irresponsible and dangerous. subjective perception doesn't prove anything without actual hard evidence.

i'm not taking Stock's side or yours, just suggesting you state your case better before throwing such an explosive accusation out there. it is no wonder you get responses like 'fuck you.'




-pb

how about this:

it's a racist view because it implies that all the predominately black kids who will be urged to vote by the likes of P. Diddy have no business informing themselves on issues and deciding who should be president. it would be much better if voting were left to those that are "in the know." namely, upper middle class white dudes.

now, before i incur the wrath of stock, let me just say this (and god help me for it). i can sort of see stock's point. the idea that people go vote for someone based on celebrity or sound bites or whatever shallow reasoning you can come up with, while hardly grounds for not being able to vote, is somewhat dangerous. fuck the energy crisis example, that's how CA got Arnie and how we get dubya as the fuhrer. however, the fact that these kids are being urged to educate themselves about the candidates is not, i repeat not a bad thing. everyone should be aware of their right to participate, even if people like stock don't like their opinions. personally, i would rather have an inner-city kid with a moderate understanding of the issues out voting than a hillbilly fuckwad who votes for bush because "he kicks ass" i'm sure stock will rebut this with the claim that he's against this too but i think in this debate, as proved by numerous previous opinions expressed, he would be just fine with that sort of situation as it benefits his team.

i think what this boils down to, IMHO, is the right's fear that such a widespread mobilization of young african-americans will likely hurt their numbers. these kids don't buy into the republican screed because they know first-hand what a load of BS it is, and are much more likely to vote democrat in november. i think if toby keith were mobilizing white trash, this post wouldn't exist. yep, it's a double standard. i call 'em like i see 'em.

stock, people shouldn't vote strictly on emotion...i agree. but to chastise an effort to change that, while ostensibly arguing for restictions on who gets to vote is dangerous, shark-infested water. can you really not see how your comments were construed as racist?

this isn't a court of law. i think it's pretty damn obvious why it's a racist view: read the post above mine for a succicnt reason.

i can't believe noone said it sooner. it is, hands down, the most offensive thing i have ever read on sg.

I personally don't give a shit HOW uninformed the prospective voter is, so long as Combs sticks to his word and makes this a non-partisan effort to educate people about politics and encourage them to participate.

Government should be held accountable by the citizens it's supposed to serve. I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the environment this nation (and especially the government) had a hand in shaping for African-Americans didn't do much to encourage political participation from them. Consequently, even though we have progressed enough that African-Americans (by and large) no longer have to fear recriminations for being involved in the political process, one can't really say that there has been much encouragement for them to start doing so. Thus, in a state where elected officials only worry about constituents likely to hold them accountable, I'm not really surprised to see that the day-to-day lot of African-Americans isn't what it should be.

If Sean Combs is willing to use his money and name to get more non-participants into the game of shaping our nation, all I can say is "fuck yeah." And, if he does turn out to be partisan as hell, then--as another poster already mentioned--the GOP would do well to become more relevant toward urban African-Americans.

And, frankly, I'd rather have 4 years of "fucked-up" America where African-American voters somehow turn everything upside-down than yet another 4 years where, for one reason or another, it's largely a relatively affluent person's game/hobby/persuasion.

In my humble opinion, only good things can come from this. What's wrong with largely disadvantaged people actually being given a chance to hold their elected officials accountable?

bingo, brother. well said.

thas funny bean
i think everybody should vote even stupid people!
i think i read somewhere that all men are created =
not all men are created somewhat equally as some are more equal and thusly have the right to vote where as others are too stoopid and shouldnt cuz theyze stupid misinformed celebrity loving folks that eat lots a jerky and those rap chips (you know those bags of chips with rappers on em) i dunno...