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adenwilliam

adenwilliam

Virginia Beach, VA
January 2003

MAY 18, 2004 09:42 PM

The video tape and circumstances of the killing of Nick Berg seem fishier and fishier.

This article summarizes and lists 50 anomalies around Berg and his death.

CLICK HERE FOR THE ARTICLE

Dopalganger

Dopalganger

Drury, MA
January 2003

MAY 18, 2004 09:46 PM

if you took enough stock in this article to post it, answer me this, if not al-qaida, whom do you think made this tape and dumped his headless corpse in the street?

[Edited on May 18, 2004 by Doppelganger]

kingcrac

kingcrac

Chicago, IL
September 2002

MAY 18, 2004 09:47 PM

He was CIA, ok? I worked with him, and he was the best god damned agent we had. Now get off our backs and let us get back to work!

Brinstar

Brinstar

Chicago, IL
September 2002

MAY 18, 2004 09:50 PM

Most of those anomolies seem like mere speculation at best, and several are incredibly leading.

Ensatina

Ensatina

Canada
February 2004

MAY 18, 2004 09:51 PM

I've never seen the tape and am morbidly curious. Link?

MarginWalker2002

MarginWalker2002

San Diego, CA
April 2004

MAY 18, 2004 09:58 PM

Articles like this always raise questions, but they'd lend themselves alot more creedence (spelling?) if they were well written. Words missing from sentences, etc... doesn't do much for your cause regardless of the validity of the message.

evilwillow

evilwillow

HOPEFUL

El Salvador

MAY 18, 2004 10:18 PM

I didn't read all of that....but having seen the video, they didn't just "slice through his neck like christmas turkey", or whatever that "article" stated. it was horrible to watch....and it took a really long time. ugh.

MikeDawg13

MikeDawg13

Chicago, IL
February 2004

MAY 18, 2004 10:22 PM

evilwillow said:
I didn't read all of that....but having seen the video, they didn't just "slice through his neck like christmas turkey", or whatever that "article" stated. it was horrible to watch....and it took a really long time. ugh.



I saw the video several times and the beheading DID seem pretty fast to me. ARRR!!!

anaphalaxis

anaphalaxis

United Kingdom
August 2003

MAY 19, 2004 04:05 AM

I haven't watched it and I don't want to although the suggestion it may be fake makes me want to all the more. As someone vaguely aquainted with film making I suggest you watch it with the sound off. Sound actually makes you see things you never really saw, that is why soundtracks are so powerful. If it looks fake with the sound off then it might be an indication that something is not quite right.

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

MAY 19, 2004 04:27 AM

anaphalaxis said:
I haven't watched it and I don't want to although the suggestion it may be fake makes me want to all the more. As someone vaguely aquainted with film making I suggest you watch it with the sound off. Sound actually makes you see things you never really saw, that is why soundtracks are so powerful. If it looks fake with the sound off then it might be an indication that something is not quite right.



the sound is actually out of sync with the '.wmv' file, lagging by about ten seconds.
ARRR!!!

rottenart

rottenart

Norman, OK
February 2004

MAY 19, 2004 07:49 AM

i still contend that it looks horrifyingly real to me. blood spurts or no...

to me this is a non-issue. the video is out there and it's creating a stir. nick berg is definitely dead. so something definitely happened to him, and it wasn't nice at all. this should just give us another reason to try actual diplomacy for a change...

iamblades2

iamblades2

Louisville, KY
April 2004

MAY 19, 2004 08:34 AM

Blood does not spurt when people recieve a large wound like that. People watch too many kill bill movies i think. With a large arterial wound, the blood pressure drops rapidly to where the blood just pours out. Not to mention the natural arterial constriction that occurs when an artery is severed.

Remember, the human body only has about 5 quarts of blood, and losing less than half of that is fatal.

What SB said about sound sync may be true also, I haven't watched the video to test that though.

thefuckingdaddy

thefuckingdaddy

Burkina Faso
August 2003

MAY 19, 2004 08:42 AM

iamblades2 said:
Blood does not spurt when people recieve a large wound like that. People watch too many kill bill movies i think. With a large arterial wound, the blood pressure drops rapidly to where the blood just pours out. Not to mention the natural arterial constriction that occurs when an artery is severed.

Remember, the human body only has about 5 quarts of blood, and losing less than half of that is fatal.

What SB said about sound sync may be true also, I haven't watched the video to test that though.

Sorry, this is incorrect. I've read a good deal of papers concerning suicide which had covered severing the jugular vein in the neck.

First, it's not that simple, so I'm going to say, nobody is just going to take a knife and cut someone's head off, there is a great deal of muscle covering the jugular veins... After which, blood should litterally be pouring/spurting everywhere. I've also spoken to doctors concerning this (while in the hospital for a self inflicted wound that didn't even hit a vein or muscle which litterally poured blood).... and if you hit a vein like that the heart is pumping, so you do get this effect.

A man once commited suicide using an electric carving knive on himself, what woke his wife was not the sound of the knive, but the blood.

I haven't seen the video either however, I'm not really into watching real or staged executions.

mathilde74

mathilde74

France
August 2003

MAY 19, 2004 08:59 AM

Yes I have seen in french boards some theories about this murder. So who has killed Berg ? CIA ? puke puke

Really I hate all this theories about conspiration. We had to read stupid and awful stories about 9/11. I think it is enough.

an example on the link : "He has a poorly functioning prosthetic leg and a hand tattoo, which should have been observed."
journalist says these two points. Nobody will verify. we just believe the journalist. Who knows Al-Zaraqawi has a tatoo ?

Berg has been killed by some fundamentalists (el qaeda or something like that). that's all. In a few weeks, I'm quite sure the Mossad will be said guilty. puke

iamblades2

iamblades2

Louisville, KY
April 2004

MAY 19, 2004 09:13 AM

thefuckingdaddy said:

iamblades2 said:
Blood does not spurt when people recieve a large wound like that. People watch too many kill bill movies i think. With a large arterial wound, the blood pressure drops rapidly to where the blood just pours out. Not to mention the natural arterial constriction that occurs when an artery is severed.

Remember, the human body only has about 5 quarts of blood, and losing less than half of that is fatal.

What SB said about sound sync may be true also, I haven't watched the video to test that though.

Sorry, this is incorrect. I've read a good deal of papers concerning suicide which had covered severing the jugular vein in the neck.

First, it's not that simple, so I'm going to say, nobody is just going to take a knife and cut someone's head off, there is a great deal of muscle covering the jugular veins... After which, blood should litterally be pouring/spurting everywhere. I've also spoken to doctors concerning this (while in the hospital for a self inflicted wound that didn't even hit a vein or muscle which litterally poured blood).... and if you hit a vein like that the heart is pumping, so you do get this effect.

A man once commited suicide using an electric carving knive on himself, what woke his wife was not the sound of the knive, but the blood.

I haven't seen the video either however, I'm not really into watching real or staged executions.



I stick by my contention that blood does not spurt from large arterial wounds. I've seen plenty of decapitation videos from chechnya, and they were exactly as described in the reports of this video. Interesting that zarqawi ran a training camp in chechnya.

Not that I see how it matters in the grand scheme of things, he is dead regardless of if he was dead before or after the act.

68stretch

68stretch

Portland, OR
March 2003

MAY 19, 2004 09:30 AM

I hate conspiracy theories too. We should just listen to what Fox news and the gov't tells us and believe it without question.

evilwillow

evilwillow

HOPEFUL

El Salvador

MAY 19, 2004 09:34 AM

MikeDawg13 said:

evilwillow said:
I didn't read all of that....but having seen the video, they didn't just "slice through his neck like christmas turkey", or whatever that "article" stated. it was horrible to watch....and it took a really long time. ugh.



I saw the video several times and the beheading DID seem pretty fast to me. ARRR!!!



really? wow...I watched it without the sound...it seemed like it went on forever. maybe I felt like that because it was so horrific. they definitely didn't just slice right through his neck...there was a lot of sawing, twisting, and yanking by all of the men involved.
puke

evilwillow

evilwillow

HOPEFUL

El Salvador

MAY 19, 2004 09:35 AM

68stretch said:
I hate conspiracy theories too. We should just listen to what Fox news and the gov't tells us and believe it without question.




surreal for the love of hell, please tell me you're kidding.

anaphalaxis

anaphalaxis

United Kingdom
August 2003

MAY 19, 2004 10:30 AM

I have a feeling that was sarcasm wink

mathilde74

mathilde74

France
August 2003

MAY 19, 2004 12:03 PM

that's so sad we havent' fox news in France...

MikeDawg13

MikeDawg13

Chicago, IL
February 2004

MAY 19, 2004 05:48 PM


iamblades2
I stick by my contention that blood does not spurt from large arterial wounds. I've seen plenty of decapitation videos from chechnya, and they were exactly as described in the reports of this video. Interesting that zarqawi ran a training camp in chechnya.

Not that I see how it matters in the grand scheme of things, he is dead regardless of if he was dead before or after the act.



You shouldn't stick to your contention...Go work in a hospital for about 2 years and see that blood does squirt from arterial wounds. ARRR!!!

Herpes

Herpes

I'm lost
August 2003

MAY 19, 2004 05:59 PM

mathilde74 said:
that's so sad we havent' fox news in France...


how awful to not have brit hume telling you that there might be a terrorist attack of a biological nature on the water resovoirs this summer every five minutes.

mathilde74

mathilde74

France
August 2003

MAY 19, 2004 06:08 PM

Mulder said:

mathilde74 said:
that's so sad we havent' fox news in France...


how awful to not have brit hume telling you that there might be a terrorist attack of a biological nature on the water resovoirs this summer every five minutes.




biggrin

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

MAY 19, 2004 06:46 PM

i also find this level of nitpicking to be bizarre. the guy was beheaded and killed, not necessarily in that order. that's all i need to know.

i realize it's important to analyze the videotape for additional information about the circumstances, but the focus on the tape's poor recording quality is probably more a reflection of the high level of production values we're used to seeing than anything fishy about the murder itself. maybe we should lift all those pesky sanctions so the terrorists can get their hands on iMovie and do it right. i can already imagine the apple "switch" ad.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

MAY 19, 2004 06:59 PM

iamblades2 said:
I've seen plenty of decapitation videos from chechnya



Nice to know how you spend your leisure time. surreal

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