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12/24/12

Hurricane Sandy [14]

12/21/12

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange loses appeal against extradition [4]

12/21/12

Indiana man gets 20 years for setting fire to Ohio mosque

12/20/12

Miscarrying woman denied an abortion dies in Ireland [2]

12/20/12

Dominique Strauss-Kahn not an open and shut case [2]

12/20/12

Exciting diplomatic memos now available on Wikileaks [7]

12/18/12

Senator Daniel Inouye has died.

12/17/12

Real-life Game of Thrones?

12/17/12

Fracking cheap source of fuel or environmental nightmare? [2]

12/12/12

NEWS: I Am An Atheist [14]

12/12/12

Artist steals Holocaust victims' ashes and uses them to make painting

12/11/12

Homosexuality and Gay Marriage [3]

12/6/12

Trayvon Martin Case [21]

12/6/12

Syria: Intervention Looming?

12/6/12

Vinegar - a cheap alternative to the cervical smear test (just ask India's doctors)

12/6/12

Odyssey Dawn [17]

12/6/12

Columbia to hold peace talks with the FARC terrorist group

12/1/12

Columbia tells International Court of Justice to shove it

11/30/12

Oops! Fox News gets called out live

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11/30/12

Argentina: Time for a run on the Peso?

11/29/12

“Ze joooz! Ze joooz!”

11/28/12

3D Printing about to go down the tubes. [3]

11/27/12

Believe in God in KY or Risk a Year in Prison!?

11/26/12

Republicans can't get any thing right, actually. [9]

11/25/12

Casey Anthony - Not Guilty [9]

11/24/12

Israel/Hamas, November 2012 [2]

11/21/12

NEWS: A New Terrorist Blue Print [8]

11/20/12

More Revolution [7]

11/20/12

Paralyzed dogs walk again with cell injections

11/20/12

Election Day [20]

11/18/12

Stay Classy, Dumbass Ole' Miss Students

11/18/12

Bradley Manning to Plead Guilty?

11/18/12

11/17/12

USA is the new Numenor? [2]

11/16/12

The Studio Bulldozer vs. the Indie Artist on the Internet

11/15/12

Scott DesJarlais: the worst Congressman alive?

11/14/12

Uganda Be Kidding Me / rehash

11/13/12

John Doe backpacker killed in Australia, help find his family.

11/8/12

Does World of Warcraft make a person unfit to be a senator?

11/4/12

Blame the victim and 'legitimate rape' [2]

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Charlie_Stars

USA

OLD SKOOL

NOV 14, 2012 02:37 PM

hello, i know i dont usually visit the current events boards. but, i was curious about the opinions on the trending petitions of secession.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secede-from-the-union_n_2126467.html

and the petition to have the people who signed petitions to secede deported

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA

April 2006

NOV 14, 2012 02:45 PM

There's actually been an ongoing conversation in the Election Day thread.

Interesting counter-petition. Completely illegal, but then so is secession.

JorgeCartman

USA

February 2008

NOV 14, 2012 03:02 PM

Yet the Feds have been giving Puerto Rico the option to either become a state or Secede for years. Decades even. Then again, they're not a state... ::Shrug::

Stiles

Philadelphia, PA

November 2002

NOV 14, 2012 04:10 PM

Online petitions don't mean much. They carry zero legal weight, take no effort to sign and often have little to zero accountability or verification. The number of signers are less than 1% of the population of any given state, and there is no way to know how many of those people are actual people, let alone state residents.

TL,DR: some wingnuts are angry, as usual. So what?

Charlie_Stars

USA

OLD SKOOL

NOV 14, 2012 04:26 PM

so do you believe this to be nothing more then a temper tantrum being thrown by malcontents? and, nothing more will come from this?

MisterSatan

Portland, OR

August 2002

NOV 14, 2012 04:28 PM

Online petitions mean about as much as posting some dumbshit thing on Facebook and asking people to "click LIKE if u agree!!!!!!!!"

In other words, they don't mean a goddamn thing.

Charlie_Stars

USA

OLD SKOOL

NOV 14, 2012 04:28 PM

FellOnEarth said:
There's actually been an ongoing conversation in the Election Day thread.

Interesting counter-petition. Completely illegal, but then so is secession.

question on the counter petition where would they deport americans to? and how peacefully do you think it go?

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA

March 2004

NOV 14, 2012 04:32 PM

I recall the same thing happening when Obama was elected the first time. More than anything it's a sad comment on the state of Texas's educational system, that it can produce people stupid enough to think Texas would survive a secession.

Rory_B_Bellows

Dallas, TX

April 2007

NOV 14, 2012 04:36 PM

motorfirebox said:
I recall the same thing happening when Obama was elected the first time. More than anything it's a sad comment on the state of Texas's educational system, that it can produce people stupid enough to think Texas would survive a secession.

It's even more fucked up considering that in the middle school we take a Texas history course. In which we learn about the Alamo, the war with Mexico, becoming an independent nation, annexation and that we gave up the right to secede when we became a state. People tend to forget that last part.

Stiles

Philadelphia, PA

November 2002

NOV 14, 2012 05:10 PM

Charlie_Stars said:
so do you believe this to be nothing more then a temper tantrum being thrown by malcontents? and, nothing more will come from this?

Exactly.

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 14, 2012 05:16 PM

The only way these are different from normal online petitions is that they get reviewed by White House staff, and the staff has said they'll respond officially to any petition with over 25,000 signatures. That said, they have no obligation to respond, and even if they did, an official response can include nothing more than an acknowledgement of the petition's existence.

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA

March 2004

NOV 14, 2012 05:55 PM

A facepalm is, technically, a response.

FreakPirate

Canada

November 2002

NOV 14, 2012 05:56 PM

motorfirebox said:
A facepalm is, technically, a response.

So is flipping them the bird.

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA

May 2006

NOV 14, 2012 05:59 PM

FreakPirate said:

motorfirebox said:
A facepalm is, technically, a response.

So is flipping them the bird.

If only they were paper, suitable for house-training a puppy.

IDGAS

Portland, ME

March 2004

NOV 14, 2012 06:01 PM

I will continue to dream of an America without TexAss.

cpkz

Portland, OR

September 2006

NOV 14, 2012 06:04 PM

Charlie_Stars said:
hello, i know i dont usually visit the current events boards. but, i was curious about the opinions on the trending petitions of secession.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/secede-from-the-union_n_2126467.html

and the petition to have the people who signed petitions to secede deported

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf

Switch the word "Trending" with "being hyped up by the media." Petitions to secede occur every election, include mid term elections. We never hear about it because its never deemed news worthy. Why is it being deemed news worthy this year? Because so many people are worried how "Divided" the country is, so the media is giving us news the re-affirms our pre-existing concepts.

It's all bullshit, all the time.

skeptik

New Orleans, LA

February 2004

NOV 14, 2012 06:12 PM

JorgeCartman said:
Yet the Feds have been giving Puerto Rico the option to either become a state or Secede for years. Decades even. Then again, they're not a state... ::Shrug::

Well not quite..

Since they're not a state, secession has never been the question. Or at least I've never heard the term used in the context of a territory that isn't a state.

The option they've been given is to petition for statehood (which Congress would need to approve for them to get it) or for complete independence (again, Corgress would have to approve). Or the third choice, which is what they have typically opted for - leaving things as they are.

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA

May 2006

NOV 14, 2012 06:18 PM

JorgeCartman said:
Yet the Feds have been giving Puerto Rico the option to either become a state or Secede for years. Decades even. Then again, they're not a state... ::Shrug::

Well no, actually.

Since they're not a state, secession has never been the question. Or at least I've never heard the term used in the context of a territory that isn't a state.

The option they've been given is to petition for statehood (which Congress would need to approve for them to get it) or for complete independence (again, Corgress would have to approve). Or the third choice, which is what they have typically opted for - leaving things as they are.

Except that, a week ago, Puerto Ricans voted in favor of statehood.

Well, kinda.

It's complicated.

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA

May 2006

NOV 14, 2012 06:21 PM

Dear Secessionists,

YOU OWE US MONEY!!!!!

Sincerely,

Blue States.

Charlie_Stars

USA

OLD SKOOL

NOV 14, 2012 06:25 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secession-petitions-now-filed-50-states-183500440.html

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA

May 2006

NOV 14, 2012 06:45 PM

Here's a screenshot of the petition for Nebraska. What do you notice?

JorgeCartman

USA

February 2008

NOV 14, 2012 09:58 PM

Coyotemike said:
Dear Secessionists,

YOU OWE US MONEY!!!!!

Sincerely,

Blue States.

Well, except Texas. Also isn't Colorado, Oregon, New York & New Jersey on that petition list (which happen to be doner states that also voted for Obama)? Something tells me its not just about Obama getting reelected.

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA

May 2006

NOV 14, 2012 10:16 PM

JorgeCartman said:

Coyotemike said:
Dear Secessionists,

YOU OWE US MONEY!!!!!

Sincerely,

Blue States.

Well, except Texas. Also isn't Colorado, Oregon, New York & New Jersey on that petition list (which happen to be doner states that also voted for Obama)? Something tells me its not just about Obama getting reelected.

All 50 states are on the petition list.

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA

April 2006

NOV 14, 2012 10:17 PM

Coyotemike said:
Here's a screenshot of the petition for Nebraska. What do you notice?

That the image is very small? OK, if I strain my eyes hard enough, it was created by some two initial name character from North Dakota, so anyone can create the petition for any state, and anyone can sign the petition from any state...

OH SHIT. C.M. Is that you, Coyotemike?

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA

May 2006

NOV 14, 2012 10:21 PM

FellOnEarth said:

Coyotemike said:
Here's a screenshot of the petition for Nebraska. What do you notice?

That the image is very small? OK, if I strain my eyes hard enough, it was created by some two initial name character from North Dakota, so anyone can create the petition for any state, and anyone can sign the petition from any state...

OH SHIT. C.M. Is that you, Coyotemike?

Sorry. I got it as big as I could for you

No, it isn't me. But, yes, the person who started it was from North Dakota. And well over half the signatures are from outside the state.

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