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Towelly

Towelly

Philadelphia, PA
January 2007

NOV 02, 2011 06:55 PM

In 2004, Texas Court at Law Judge William Adams' daughter Hillary, then 16, downloaded songs and games not available for sale off the internet. Ordinarily, this would draw a blank look from parents, or if they thought it would get them into trouble, they would cut off internet access. Instead, William Adams viciously beat his daughter with a belt.

How do we know? Because Hillary Adams taped the incident, and yesterday released the tape on Reddit, claiming that the release was in response to continued harassment from Adams. Police are now said to be investigating the incident. Hillary Adams has since tweeted some regret about ruining her father's life; for his part, judge William Adams has been quoted as saying that the incident is not as bad as it appears on tape. While the mother also appears in the video, Hillary has cited that she herself was suffering from abuse and, prior to the release of the film, sincerely apologized to her daughter.

Below is the Youtube clip in full. I've spoilered it just to make sure that anyone who cannot handle it won't see anything, but be warned: while there is no blood, the clip is extremely brutal. I had to stop the clip myself three times, and I was quite literally shaking with rage when I was finished with it. If you cannot access the clip from the link provided, it is also attached to the link above.



Canadian_Coat

Canadian_Coat

Brockville, ON
September 2008

NOV 02, 2011 09:42 PM

That's fucked up

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

NOV 02, 2011 09:48 PM

Jesus...!!!

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

NOV 02, 2011 09:57 PM

holy fuck.

Cattie

Cattie

Canada
July 2007

NOV 02, 2011 09:58 PM

While I don't necessarily disagree with spanking, as I got spanked as a child with a wooden spoon or belt usually just one or two strokes, this goes beyond and becomes abuse. I can't believe this judge is someone who resides over child abuse cases surreal

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

NOV 02, 2011 10:05 PM

From a psychological standpoint, i find it kind of interesting that he turns the light out first. Perhaps there's a bit of shame going on there? Or is he just trying to terrorize her more?

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 02, 2011 10:23 PM

Towelly said:
Hillary Adams has since tweeted some regret about ruining her father's life;




I'm sure her feelings about her family and her father are complicated - I'm not surprised she's having a hard time processing this situation. That said, if beating the crap out of your kid doesn't merit your life being ruined I'm not sure what would.

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

NOV 02, 2011 10:46 PM

And apparently the daughter is disabled.
I have no words.

insertcreativity

insertcreativity

Australia
September 2011

NOV 03, 2011 04:48 AM

holy shit.

June

June

Canada
March 2004

NOV 03, 2011 05:15 AM

The threat that he gives her at 5:19 really scares the shit out of me. The beating is traumatising to watch, but it's that voice that he uses to let her know that he lord all power over her that really turns my stomach. I can't see what he's doing, but I just know that he's holding her down on the bed by her face as he's threatening her.puke

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

NOV 03, 2011 05:52 AM

I wish I didn't watch that. I'm so glad his career and reputation are being ruined.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

NOV 03, 2011 07:11 AM

Mr_Matt_ said:
I wish I didn't watch that. I'm so glad his career and reputation are being ruined.



At best, he'll get a slap on the wrist from the courts.

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

NOV 03, 2011 07:34 AM

mydogfarted said:

Mr_Matt_ said:
I wish I didn't watch that. I'm so glad his career and reputation are being ruined.



At best, he'll get a slap on the wrist from the courts.



Criminally, I'll bet you're right. But as far as career and reputation goes?

DONE.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

NOV 03, 2011 07:46 AM

Mr_Matt_ said:

mydogfarted said:

Mr_Matt_ said:
I wish I didn't watch that. I'm so glad his career and reputation are being ruined.



At best, he'll get a slap on the wrist from the courts.



Criminally, I'll bet you're right. But as far as career and reputation goes?

DONE.



Agreed. Clearly this wasn't a one-off incident, or she wouldn't have set the camera to record it.

Sending out the lawyer signal...
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Anyone know if this video would be admissible as evidence?

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

NOV 03, 2011 08:02 AM

^ On a kind of related note, since she's an adult now, would she have to press charges for him to be prosecuted? I'm completely ignorant on how these cases go once the victim is no longer a minor.

RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA
April 2004

NOV 03, 2011 08:58 AM

mydogfarted said:
Agreed. Clearly this wasn't a one-off incident, or she wouldn't have set the camera to record it.

Sending out the lawyer signal...
zoom image
Anyone know if this video would be admissible as evidence?



For the record, the OP has completed law school and is studying for his BAR exam.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 03, 2011 10:50 AM

That's not discipline....that's savagery.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 03, 2011 11:00 AM

I wonder how things are for the younger sister. She doesn't look old enough to have moved out in the ensuing seven years. frown

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

NOV 03, 2011 11:32 AM

Toku666 said:
I wonder how things are for the younger sister. She doesn't look old enough to have moved out in the ensuing seven years. frown



If the mom split, she's probably with her.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

NOV 03, 2011 12:52 PM

Here's my view...

Short version

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

That 'judge' is a complete wanker!



Long Version

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

I am not opposed to corporal punishment but I don't see how any of what he did to his daughter was necessary. What Judge William Adams did to hs daughter in that video was not punishment; it was abuse.

If a child disobeys her parents rules as regards use of her computer / internet connection, the appropriate punishment is for the computer to be taken away for a set period or as Towelly suggested for her internet access to be disconnected.

Punishment, whether corporal or not, should be appropriate, proportionate, consistent and should be delivered calmly. This 'judge' clearly does not grasp this. The punishment which he meted out was inappropriate, disproportionate and was not delivered calmly. I mean, why the need for the punishment to go on and on and for him to come out with all the swearing and threats and the need for him to keep on coming back for more?

If this was his idea of an appropriate punishment when his daughter illegally downloaded games, what on earth would he do if she crashed his car?

His daughter's misbehaviour could never justify this sort of treatment. He seems to have simply used his daughter's behaviour as an easy excuse for his abusive behaviour.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

NOV 03, 2011 12:58 PM

Towelly said:
...Hillary Adams has since tweeted some regret about ruining her father's life..



Woah! She viciously attacked her father's belt with her butt and legs thus ruining his life... that poor man. Kids can be so cruel!!
[/sarcasm]

MissyMalice

MissyMalice

USA
May 2010

NOV 03, 2011 01:13 PM

Waldo_Jeffers said:
Punishment, whether corporal or not, should be appropriate, proportionate, consistent and should be delivered calmly.
[/SPOILER]



This.
I don't advise looking at the comments section on the video on youtube. It's filled with people screeching about the father's right to "discipline" his child in any way he sees fit. Period.
A bit appalling the number of people who don't understand there's a difference between punishment and abuse.

Towelly

Towelly

Philadelphia, PA
January 2007

NOV 03, 2011 01:48 PM

Cash said:
That's not discipline....that's savagery.



I think that's a critical distinction. Any time people discuss abuse in the abstract, it tends to become a discussion about what was done, and whether the what crosses a line. The problem is that even if you accept the idea that children could deserve being hit a good 20 times or so with a belt (and for the record, I do not. I'm just speaking hypothetically), it ignores the how and why of punishment. How does the beating, combined with the absolute physical domination and a man's telling his daughter that she doesn't deserve to be a part of the family instill the discipline that punishment is supposed to be about? Further, is doing that really commensurate to the crime of downloading a video game? And the answer to both, of course, is no.

Discussions about abuse have a disturbing tendency to become discussions about whether it is appropriate to discipline your child with force. It's critical to remember that this video doesn't address that question, because what that man did had nothing to do with discipline. It had to do with breaking her will. The fact that he did it with means I wouldn't use on an animal just makes the crime worse.


mydogfarted said:
Anyone know if this video would be admissible as evidence?



Depends significantly on the Texas Rules of Evidence , which are probably (like all states) variations on the Federal Rules of Evidence, and also what the wording of the Texas Statute they charge him under, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't come in under the Federal Rules. Basically, supposing I had the unenviable task of representing the judge in court, I could see making three basic objections: authentication, hearsay, and unfair prejudice. Authentication is the only objection anyone would take seriously, since that deals with the question of whether this tape is what it purports to be, or whether in the intervening years Hillary or someone else with an axe to grind against Judge Adams altered the tape. But I would expect each of these objections to be overruled.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 03, 2011 02:01 PM

That was pretty hard to watch. I see no reason to use anything besides a hand when spanking a kid, and everything about that clip was abuse. Did you notice how he was dragging the mom into it, almost blaming her for the computer, and her jumping to her own defense? That's textbook abused spouse behavior. Fuck.

Fuck this guy and I hope his life IS ruined. This is no fucking way to treat your family. Makes me wonder how many cases he judged were domestic abuse ones.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 03, 2011 02:40 PM

Towelly said:

Cash said:
That's not discipline....that's savagery.



I think that's a critical distinction. Any time people discuss abuse in the abstract, it tends to become a discussion about what was done, and whether the what crosses a line. The problem is that even if you accept the idea that children could deserve being hit a good 20 times or so with a belt (and for the record, I do not. I'm just speaking hypothetically), it ignores the how and why of punishment. How does the beating, combined with the absolute physical domination and a man's telling his daughter that she doesn't deserve to be a part of the family instill the discipline that punishment is supposed to be about? Further, is doing that really commensurate to the crime of downloading a video game? And the answer to both, of course, is no.

Discussions about abuse have a disturbing tendency to become discussions about whether it is appropriate to discipline your child with force. It's critical to remember that this video doesn't address that question, because what that man did had nothing to do with discipline. It had to do with breaking her will. The fact that he did it with means I wouldn't use on an animal just makes the crime worse.



Over-educated, overcomplicated reply to a very simple concept.

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