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insertcreativity

insertcreativity

Australia
September 2011

OCT 28, 2011 05:52 AM


A constitutional amendment facing voters in Mississippi on Nov. 8, and similar initiatives brewing in half a dozen other states including Florida and Ohio, would declare a fertilized human egg to be a legal person, effectively branding abortion and some forms of birth control as murder.


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I have no words.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 28, 2011 06:26 AM

Would falling down a flight of stairs be involuntary manslaughter?

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

OCT 28, 2011 06:56 AM

Cash said:
Would falling down a flight of stairs be involuntary manslaughter?



From what I've heard, there is a chance that miscarriages will be investigated as involuntary manslaughter. That may be hyperbole.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 28, 2011 07:24 AM

That amendment would be unconstitutional and unenforceable as written, obviously. But that's the point.

The idea among anti-abortion rights groups these days is to go all in on attempting to set up another SCOTUS challenge in the hopes that Kennedy will reverse himself and overrule Roe and Casey. I don't really think this is a wise course of action, but I admit that I am not entirely confident that they're wrong.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

OCT 28, 2011 08:01 AM

I don't suppose any of the Conservative SCOTUS justices are nearing retirement?

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

OCT 28, 2011 02:46 PM

It is terrible that if this passes, women without the resources to leave the state for reproductive care may be forced to give birth.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

OCT 28, 2011 05:26 PM

Thistle said:
It is terrible that if this passes, women without the resources to leave the state for reproductive care may be forced to give birth.



If it isn't constitutional wouldn't PP be able to keep providing abortions until the issue is settled. Lawyers?

DeviantDissident

DeviantDissident

Richmond, VA
March 2004

OCT 28, 2011 06:09 PM

Virginia Board Of Health Passes Strictest Abortion Clinic Regulations In The Nation Virginia went the dirty underhanded path. Instead of outright banning abortions they just passed regulations that none of the clinics in the state can meet. When they go into effect next year it'll close down every clinic in Virginia.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

OCT 28, 2011 10:14 PM

Otoki said:

Thistle said:
It is terrible that if this passes, women without the resources to leave the state for reproductive care may be forced to give birth.



If it isn't constitutional wouldn't PP be able to keep providing abortions until the issue is settled. Lawyers?



That is not how any other law that was eventually proven unconstitutional has worked, as far as I know.

mildots

mildots

Montserrat
September 2007

OCT 28, 2011 10:46 PM

Iud's seriously. Wtf.

Calico

Calico

New Zealand
April 2007

OCT 28, 2011 10:47 PM

I am beyond words on this issue. I just don't even know where to start, except to say that I feel sick.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

OCT 29, 2011 09:41 AM

DeviantDissident said:
Virginia Board Of Health Passes Strictest Abortion Clinic Regulations In The Nation Virginia went the dirty underhanded path. Instead of outright banning abortions they just passed regulations that none of the clinics in the state can meet. When they go into effect next year it'll close down every clinic in Virginia.



Thanks for pointing that out. I was going to post something about it, and now I don't have to. But I wanted to re-emphasize it, because I really don't think enough people realize this is going on.

Read up on the actual regulations. They're insane.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 29, 2011 10:32 AM

Thistle said:

Otoki said:

Thistle said:
It is terrible that if this passes, women without the resources to leave the state for reproductive care may be forced to give birth.



If it isn't constitutional wouldn't PP be able to keep providing abortions until the issue is settled. Lawyers?



That is not how any other law that was eventually proven unconstitutional has worked, as far as I know.



No, there would probably be an injunction issued against the law's enforcement. PP would be fine, barring an over-reach by a lower appellate court.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

OCT 29, 2011 11:07 AM

Subrosa said:

Thistle said:

Otoki said:

Thistle said:
It is terrible that if this passes, women without the resources to leave the state for reproductive care may be forced to give birth.



If it isn't constitutional wouldn't PP be able to keep providing abortions until the issue is settled. Lawyers?



That is not how any other law that was eventually proven unconstitutional has worked, as far as I know.



No, there would probably be an injunction issued against the law's enforcement. PP would be fine, barring an over-reach by a lower appellate court.



How quickly would the injunction be put in place?

Calico

Calico

New Zealand
April 2007

OCT 29, 2011 02:30 PM

Accuser said:

DeviantDissident said:
Virginia Board Of Health Passes Strictest Abortion Clinic Regulations In The Nation Virginia went the dirty underhanded path. Instead of outright banning abortions they just passed regulations that none of the clinics in the state can meet. When they go into effect next year it'll close down every clinic in Virginia.



Thanks for pointing that out. I was going to post something about it, and now I don't have to. But I wanted to re-emphasize it, because I really don't think enough people realize this is going on.

Read up on the actual regulations. They're insane.



For instance, a clinic must have 5-foot-wide hallways, 8-foot-wide areas outside of procedure rooms, specific numbers of toilets and types of sinks and all of the latest requirements for air circulation flow and electrical wiring. Each clinic must also have a parking spot for every bed, despite the fact that first-trimester abortions don't require an overnight stay. Further, Department of Health employees will be allowed to enter an abortion facility at any time without notice or identification.



I feel terrible or the women of Virginia. Not only are abortions unattainable for anyone who can't afford to travel out of state, the clinics which close down will be taking the rest of their services with them, which means no more pap smears, no more breast examinations, no more contraceptives.

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It's extraordinary to me, watching the War on Women from the outside. There's an election coming up in NZ, and not once has the issue of abortion been raised. It would be quite weird if the media suddenly started asking politicians how they felt about abortions. Abortion is currently legal in NZ if two physicians will certify that the pregnancy will harm a woman's physical or mental health. There are quite a lot of pro-choice organizations pushing for a complete decriminalization. There are a few pro-life lobbying groups, and every so often the issue of parental consent for underaged abortions comes up (currently, there is no legal obligation for children under sixteen to gain parental consent for an abortion) but the issue has always been defeated. I don't think anyone has seriously proposed making abortion illegal since the 70s, and the only recent drama was in April when the co-leader of the Maori Party, who is anti-abortion, moved that an anti-abortion doctor be appointed to the Abortion Supervisory Committee. The motion was voted out, 70-30 against.

However, the only reason I know all of this is because I've done the research. I think the average NZer thinks abortion is totally legal in the NZ, and for most people it's a non-issue. I have never seen it come up in the media, and I've never heard a politician seriously speak about it as an important issue. It's amazing to me that people would vote for a presidential candidate based solely on whether they were anti-abortion or not.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 30, 2011 09:39 PM

Thistle said:

Subrosa said:

Thistle said:

Otoki said:

Thistle said:
It is terrible that if this passes, women without the resources to leave the state for reproductive care may be forced to give birth.



If it isn't constitutional wouldn't PP be able to keep providing abortions until the issue is settled. Lawyers?



That is not how any other law that was eventually proven unconstitutional has worked, as far as I know.



No, there would probably be an injunction issued against the law's enforcement. PP would be fine, barring an over-reach by a lower appellate court.



How quickly would the injunction be put in place?



You can apply for a temporary injunction pretty much immediately.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

OCT 31, 2011 12:30 AM

^^So basically PP would, in fact, be able to keep providing abortions etc once an injunction is filed?

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 31, 2011 07:27 AM

I'm listening to NPR right now and the bile & rage are rising. Universal healthcare is socialist....but banning abortion is American? Fuck you, Mississippi.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

OCT 31, 2011 07:34 AM

Cash said:
I'm listening to NPR right now and the bile & rage are rising. Universal healthcare is socialist....but banning abortion is American? Fuck you, Mississippi.



Big government is bad! Unless we're using the government to track every single fertilized egg. In that case, it's great.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

NOV 06, 2011 01:10 AM

I was reading The Economist recently, and found this very amusing, sarcastic response to the proposed legislation. In a letter titled "Patter of Tiny Personhoods".


SIR – I was delighted to read your article about the effort in Mississippi to pass a state constitutional amendment to recognise embryos as people from the moment of fertilisation (“A person already?”, October 8th). My wife and I have been considering IVF to address our lack of success in conceiving a child. Mississippi’s proposed amendment gives us even more reason to pursue this treatment, and to move to Mississippi.

After the procedure we will insist on taking custody of any extra embryos that result from IVF—it is our right as parents after all. Once safely in our home we plan to keep them in a freezer in our basement and list them as child dependents for tax purposes, thus giving us a tax deduction. To protect the lives of our children in case of a power outage we will buy a backup generator. Anything less would be bad parenting.

Benjamin Iwai
St Louis, Missouri



(see letters page here for original)

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

NOV 06, 2011 08:12 AM

WOW. You know, we've got a pretty big country up here, guys... might be time to just leave the crazies behind to fend for themselves.

Sal_

Sal_

USA
October 2009

NOV 06, 2011 08:50 AM

Clidna said:
WOW. You know, we've got a pretty big country up here, guys... might be time to just leave the crazies behind to fend for themselves.



That sounds nice enough, but we would be leaving behind a bunch of crazies in a country that has a stockpile of nuclear and conventional weapons. As much as I hate to admit it, I feel alot safer sticking it put here rather than leaving this place behind with the religious wackos in full control, and I think we can all agree no one wants that.

1sailor

1sailor

Olympia, WA
July 2009

NOV 06, 2011 09:15 AM

This could affect more than just Mississippi, their stated intention is to challenge Roe vs Wade which could result in making abortion illegal everywhere.

CNN

BDeyeD

BDeyeD

Toronto, ON
January 2007

NOV 06, 2011 12:08 PM

Sallen said:

Clidna said:
WOW. You know, we've got a pretty big country up here, guys... might be time to just leave the crazies behind to fend for themselves.



That sounds nice enough, but we would be leaving behind a bunch of crazies in a country that has a stockpile of nuclear and conventional weapons. As much as I hate to admit it, I feel alot safer sticking it put here rather than leaving this place behind with the religious wackos in full control, and I think we can all agree no one wants that.



O____O

Canadian_Coat

Canadian_Coat

Brockville, ON
September 2008

NOV 06, 2011 01:04 PM

Sallen said:

Clidna said:
WOW. You know, we've got a pretty big country up here, guys... might be time to just leave the crazies behind to fend for themselves.


That sounds nice enough, but we would be leaving behind a bunch of crazies in a country that has a stockpile of nuclear and conventional weapons. As much as I hate to admit it, I feel alot safer sticking it put here rather than leaving this place behind with the religious wackos in full control, and I think we can all agree no one wants that.


For the sake of the world, we would be willing to let you bring them with you; we will allow you to count them as a carry-on smile.

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