I need to find the article when i get home, but i read something that proposed that a neutrino traveling faster than a photon should not be so shocking. It pointed back to String Theory and/or M-Theory and said that the neutrinos in this experiment may have just passed out of our membrane of the universe and into another in which there is no universal speed limit. I'm paraphrasing and going off of memory but what i read was pretty mind blowing.
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DevilsReject
Cleveland, OH
February 2007
SEP 28, 2011 12:14 PM
PointBlank said:
"We don't allow faster than light neutrinos in here," says the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar.
Quit with the lame neutrino jokes, i already heard them all next week.
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DevilsReject
Cleveland, OH
February 2007
SEP 28, 2011 12:19 PM
Rory_B_Bellows said:
I need to find the article when i get home, but i read something that proposed that a neutrino traveling faster than a photon should not be so shocking. It pointed back to String Theory and/or M-Theory and said that the neutrinos in this experiment may have just passed out of our membrane of the universe and into another in which there is no universal speed limit. I'm paraphrasing and going off of memory but what i read was pretty mind blowing.
Even if the neutrino did travel faster than light, string theory already has an answer for it. The neutrino could have passed into one of potentially 26 different dimensions. It could also be quantum tunneling. If this turns out to be true there are physicists that already have a theoretical explanation on why it did what it did.
Subatomic particles were again clocked travelling faster than light by European researchers after the experiment was revised to rule out a certain type of error.
"The positive outcome of the test makes us more confident in the result," said Fernando Ferroni, president of Italy's National Institute of Nuclear Phyiscs (INFN), in a statement releasing the new results Friday.
But he cautioned that the result can only be confirmed with great certainty if similar measurements are performed elsewhere in the world.
In response to suggestions from other scientists, they ran the experiment again with much shorter, widely spaced pulses of neutrinos, allowing them to match the neutrino detection at Gran Sasso with the original pulse at CERN far more precisely instead of relying on averages.
"One of the eventual systematic errors is now out of the way," said Jacques Martino, director of the National Institute of Nuclear and Particle Physics at France's national centre for scientific research, in a statement, " but the search is not over. There are more checks of systematics currently under discussion."
For example, he said, the synchronization of the time reference at the starting and end points will be done using a different method.
The new results have been published online on the ArXiv online physics archive and have been submitted for publication in the Journal of High Energy Physics. They have not yet been peer-reviewed.
The scientists involved are also still asking other researchers to independently verify the measurements at a different experimental site.
Their original announcement was greeted by skepticism from many physicists, who said a very high standard of proof is needed for such an extraordinary result, which was more likely the result of an undiscovered error.
Well that's good news. More testing still needs to be done, but it's looking good .
Cassiel said:
How can we monetize this to help the economy?
Use our new found faster-then-light powers to spin the world backwards in the hopes that we go back in time and correct all the things we fucked up ....but lets only go back a few years because I for one would still like to be born.
Have you ever read a book called "The End of Eternity" by Isaac Asimov? If not I recommend it.
Note: It isn't about faster than light travel as such but it is about the possibility of sending people back in time to alter past events.
I would like to understand the implications of causing a particle to travel faster than light-speed. If scientists can cause a sub-atomic particle to travel faster than light can we then be able to cause other items with greater mass to travel faster than light or approaching light speed. This could be an amazing leap in technology.
Cyranodb said:
I would like to understand the implications of causing a particle to travel faster than light-speed. If scientists can cause a sub-atomic particle to travel faster than light can we then be able to cause other items with greater mass to travel faster than light or approaching light speed. This could be an amazing leap in technology.
Well, the scientists who are actually holding the experiments in particle collision would also like to understand the implications.
Let them get a handle on that, and then somebody can break it down for you. As it stands, the answer is pretty much a *shrug* since the broadest way in which to put it is "it changes a lot about our understanding of particle physics."
Cyranodb said:
I would like to understand the implications of causing a particle to travel faster than light-speed. If scientists can cause a sub-atomic particle to travel faster than light can we then be able to cause other items with greater mass to travel faster than light or approaching light speed. This could be an amazing leap in technology.
turin said:
Ugh. What bothers me is that, if (when) this turns out to be a mistake or miscalculation, the public is going to lose a little more faith in science, rather than in science reporting in the general news media. Is it any wonder that people question climate change and vaccines, when a story like this is a top headline on every news outlet in the world right now?
Objections, quick version: not even peer reviewed and published yet, much less replicated. The study's own authors think it's crazy. Einstein has withstood every challenge over the last century, by some of the smartest, most creative humans ever to walk the earth.
If this turns out correct, I'll be as geeked out as anyone, but I can't believe it's been less than a year since the arsenic-based life debacle.
I agree and yet I disagree. I know that sounds confusing but hear me out.
Those who generally have an agenda (i.e. theists and conspiracy theorists) against science are going to look for any inconsistency they can find to try and cast doubt on the scientific method. They do this because they have an ideology they wish to promote. Be it an experiment like this or a batch of e-mails those who wish to cast science in a negative light are going to find any damned excuse they can to blather on about their stupid bullshit to the point that you and me are ripping out what little hair we have left (I shave my head regularly). So yes, when the media jumps to early conclusions those on the negative end are going to pounce like rabid hamsters and run with it.
Those of us who are genuinely interested in the PROCESS of science know that things like this happen all the time and are eager and willing to hear the end result be it positive or negative. You and I (and a damn sight more people than we realize I tend to think) are fully aware that even when data is false or somehow the result of a mistake it is still data. Lessons are learned that can help us continue to learn even if those lessons are new ways to calibrate equipment or finding faults in previously accepted testing methods. The groups involved in this particular experiment and others are being very careful when talking to the media and making damn sure they explain the process every time a camera gets shoved in their face. This is the strength of science, knowing that you are fallible and accepting that.
I personally have a lot of hope that, handled correctly this experiment could open up a lot of people's minds about the scientific method and what it really is. The first step towards creating a scientifically literate public is making sure the public understands that science is a never ending process of collection, calculation, correction and re-calculation that leads us down the highway of knowledge. I say bring the media on and let them report on every step of the process of confirming or dis-proving this experiment. Sure some are going to take it any way they want but some more are actually going to learn something and the more learning we get the better.
This seems to be the cause. It's unfortunate, as I was looking forward to new physics.
It was probably a loose fiber optic cable. http://m.digitaljournal.com/article/320059
PointBlank
New York, NY
November 2004
SEP 28, 2011 11:06 AM