Because we need more stories about gun violence...

14 year old shoots 3 family members, 2 died... with birthday present.

This news clip seems to get a little further into the story.


Let's recap the news stories of the last few weeks on CE...
Accidental shooting in High School
Bill introduced to arm teachers after 17 year old shoots teacher
Congresswoman and people at rally shot
WTF?

Obviously, the only solution here is more guns.

If only the neighbours had been armed, this might have been prevented.

GUNS!!

Very funny. Obviously, you're being ironical. Anyone in their right mind would realize it was the 80 year old granny that should have been packing heat in her adult diapers.

obviously the solution is to not give 14 year old boys a gun.

and since we're on the subject of news stories involving guns, here's another one.



make sure you catch the end of the story, when a man brandishing a gun scared away the attackers, saving the couple.

Make sure you catch the real end of the story, where anecdotal evidence doesn't overcome the weight of statistics.

Umm yeah....
Gun Control

Umm yeah. The Florida declining trend tracks the overall US trend from the early 90s pretty closely. (Same happened in Texas.)

Umm yeah. The introduction and the strike-down of the law in DC occur at almost the same rate of homicide/manslaughter -- the significant rise and then decline appear to happen independently.

Umm yeah.

there are too many outside factors to know what the effects of gun control or gun liberalization really are. however most people have a handgun in their home to ward off an intruder and studies have shown that people who have a loaded gun in their home are more likely to get shot or killed by their spouse in a crime of passion than they are likely to ward off an intruder breaking into their home.

If only there were more guns on the street to stop people with guns on the street there would be less people on the street to use guns. Problem solved!

Some ideas...

Tax the hell out of guns
Enormously increase punishment for gun trafficking
Have identifying marks on each bullet which can be traced back to the original purchaser
Legalize or decriminalize drugs (or at least pot)

None of these infringe in any way on the Second Amendment and yet the first three would probably have the NRA frothing at the mouth. If the Conservatives can call Health Care Reform, "Death Panels", can I call the NRA, "the Murder Lobby"?

Last point: the term "Gun Control" is so loaded and poisoned, it needs a good re-branding. I suggest "Firearm Management" or something along those lines.

Q: Are you against gun control, sir?
A: Fuck yeah! Second Amendment rulz! Go fuck yourself government!
Q: How about Firearm Management?
A: Hmmm...

Yeah, so maybe not, but i can dream right?

The really last point: I don't think Obama or the Dems are going to do anything at all about gun control for no other reason than they want to live. Under the Obama administration gun rights have actually increased but you wouldn't know it from the guns and ammunition sales. Imagine if the Obama administration actually did something! Gasp! Riots in the street. Burn this motherfucker down! Attica! Attica! If you think the far right is unhinged now, just imagine the conniption they'd throw if you did anything to curb gun violence or make it harder for people to purchase their Precious, Precious Holy Rollin' Gun H. Christ. Fuck a duck, they'll flip a lid and blow a gasket.

Hmmm...perhaps "Precious, Precious Holy Rollin Jesus H. Gun" would have been better. Oh well.

Okay, so which one of your tooled-up graphs shows us that "a man brandishing a gun" will always scare away attackers?

Next time you push a rock and it moves, it was totally you, dude.

I feel like every few weeks I am reading the same story with different aged children.
Don't make your kids do chores, they will shoot and kill you.

You realize it's impossible to mark that many bullets correctly? in 2009 normal gun owners purchased 12,000,000,000 Yes that's Billion rounds of ammunition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/02/AR2009110202712.html

How exactly do you mark and keep track of all of that information?

batch marking.

And once that ammo is sold to someone? Who will be held responsible if ammo that was purchased legally somewhere ends up in the hands of someone who shoots someone? what about people who reload or make their own ammo? The technology the build a modern firearm is pre 1940's technology. There is a ton of information out there.

My point really should be this, ok lets say you mark the bullet who cares someone is still shot and probably dead so what have you accomplished? in most cases the shooter is known anyhow so really it's a feel good measure meant to make people think or feel safer but that in all actuality won't actually do a damn thing.

Kind of how making drugs illegal keeps people from doing drugs and keeps us safe.

Not to mention that bullets frequently deform or fragment when they hit something, which would almost certainly obscure or obliterate any kind of markings.

You asked how. Mathematically, marking them is not the problem.

Well it gives you an incentive to really keep track of your bullets doesn't it? Perhaps someone is still dead, but you're probably less likely to pop a cap if the chance of being caught goes up because of marked bullets and chew on this regarding "most cases the shooter is known anyhow": They still don't know who killed Biggie and 2Pac and that's about as high profile murder as you cat get. I think you're confusing TV cops with real life ones who do the best they can, but they're overworked, underfunded and being cut left right and center in this country because tax increase is a four letter word in political discourse. Tangent, sorry.

The point is that it's at least something which is better than the nothing we're going to get because our politicians are pussy whipped by the Murder Lobby NRA. Maybe it's an ineffective or impractical tool to help deal with murder in the country, but it's something.

Finally, home-made bullets? Really? I mean, really? That's a stretch. When's the last time someone got shot with a fucking musket, man?

Wow. Seven to ten BILLION bullets are bought in a usual year in the US. Good luck with that.

I forget who the comedian was, but they joked the answer is to make bullets $3000 a piece.

Your kidding right?

http://www.weaponscombat.com/ammunition

Do you have any concept at all of guns in the US? It's a major hobby of millions and millions of people. To be completely honest the only reason I don't have silver bullets already made is because of the cost of silver, otherwise I in fact would have several magazines worth of hollow point silver bullets made. Just for shits and giggles mind you, not because I actually fear werewolves. Not to mention a shotgun shell can be literally loaded with ANYTHING!!! I could put babies teeth in one and shoot someone with it and kill them, reloading ammunition is actually cheaper than buying new ammunition all the time.

And making guns from scratch.

http://www.paladin-press.com/product/Homemade_Guns_and_Homemade_Ammo/Home_Workshop_Guns_and_Ammo

Chris rock.