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Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

NOV 28, 2010 02:30 PM

Apparently Wikileaks has just released hundreds of thousands of extracts from diplomatic memos, reports etc.

Wikileaks release of embassy cables reveals US concerns


  • Reports of some Arab leaders - including Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah - urging the US to attack Iran and end its nuclear weapons programme.

  • Iran attempting to adapt North Korean rockets for use as long-range missiles

  • Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip

  • Bargaining to empty the Guantanamo Bay prison camp - including Slovenian diplomats being told to take in a freed prisoner if they wanted to secure a meeting with President Barack Obama

  • Germany being warned in 2007 not to enforce arrest warrants for US Central Intelligence Agency officers involved in an operation in which an innocent German citizen with the same name as a suspected militant was abducted and held in Afghanistan

  • US officials being instructed to spy on the UN's leadership by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

  • The very close relationship between Russian PM Vladimir Putin and his Italian counterpart Silvio Berlusconi

  • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime

  • Yemen's president talking to then US Mid-East commander General David Petraeus about attacks on Yemeni al-Qaeda bases and saying: "We'll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours

  • Faltering US attempts to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

NOV 28, 2010 02:33 PM

Treason season starting early this year

Mark_plus_Beer

Mark_plus_Beer

United Kingdom
August 2005

NOV 28, 2010 02:36 PM

They were pretty spot on about Burlusconi in the report.



Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL
Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 28, 2010 02:44 PM

stockula said:
Treason season starting early this year



I was unaware that I lived in the United States of Australia.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

NOV 28, 2010 02:49 PM

A link to one of the Guardian articles
Saudi Arabia urges US attack on Iran to stop nuclear programme


The Saudi king was recorded as having "frequently exhorted the US to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons programme", one cable stated. "He told you [Americans] to cut off the head of the snake," the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir said, according to a report on Abdullah's meeting with the US general David Petraeus in April 2008.


Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

NOV 28, 2010 02:52 PM

Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL
Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 28, 2010 02:59 PM

Maybe--just maaaaaaaaaaybe--the State Department should consider moving a few things back to "Eyes Only." Maybe.

Mark_plus_Beer

Mark_plus_Beer

United Kingdom
August 2005

NOV 28, 2010 03:06 PM

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I give him a year after this, something like a car crash.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

NOV 28, 2010 03:08 PM

Mark_plus_Beer said:

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I give him a year after this, something like a car crash.



No if this is any indication of what else is in those cables I give him a month tops and it will be done in an obvious way so as to deter others from doing the same. The only question will be who actually killed him.

BitternTwisted

BitternTwisted

I'm lost
October 2010

NOV 28, 2010 03:20 PM

Colinism said:

Mark_plus_Beer said:

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I give him a year after this, something like a car crash.



No if this is any indication of what else is in those cables I give him a month tops and it will be done in an obvious way so as to deter others from doing the same. The only question will be who actually killed him.



Did I hear Adm. Mullen saying that "countless" lives would be "put at risk" by this?

And am I the only person who heard that as a threat?

Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 28, 2010 03:20 PM

Colinism said:

Mark_plus_Beer said:

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I give him a year after this, something like a car crash.



No if this is any indication of what else is in those cables I give him a month tops and it will be done in an obvious way so as to deter others from doing the same. The only question will be who actually killed him.



To beat whichever troll to the punch: Hillary will set up a Vince Foster style situation.

On the real, though, I think Colinism has the right of it, and my guess would be any one of the UAE honchos who will be, at best, severely humiliated by the contents. Whether or not any of them are worried about what Iran thinks of them, they will bristle at being exposed as having asked for that sort of aid in that sort of tone. They usually approach things along the lines of looking tranquil and acting in silence. Add in the mountains of dough and multiple contacts around the globe, and it totals up to a Saudi bullet with "Assange" inscribed.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

NOV 28, 2010 03:22 PM

Waldo_Jeffers said:


  • Reports of some Arab leaders - including Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah - urging the US to attack Iran and end its nuclear weapons programme.

  • Iran attempting to adapt North Korean rockets for use as long-range missiles

  • Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip

  • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime



Were any of these things really secret?

Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 28, 2010 03:23 PM

alyctes said:

Colinism said:

Mark_plus_Beer said:

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I give him a year after this, something like a car crash.



No if this is any indication of what else is in those cables I give him a month tops and it will be done in an obvious way so as to deter others from doing the same. The only question will be who actually killed him.



Did I hear Adm. Mullen saying that "countless" lives would be "put at risk" by this?

And am I the only person who heard that as a threat?



Uhhh... Seriously? You didn't hear that as the same thing they say every time Wikileaks has released documents? Why would he have said "countless" (and they always do) if he weren't referring to the diplomats and officials whose actions have been exposed by the leaks? Assange only has one kid and eight fellow board members, after all. I'm pretty sure Mullen can count to ten.

Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 28, 2010 03:24 PM

FreakPirate said:

Waldo_Jeffers said:


  • Reports of some Arab leaders - including Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah - urging the US to attack Iran and end its nuclear weapons programme.

  • Iran attempting to adapt North Korean rockets for use as long-range missiles

  • Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip

  • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime



Were any of these things really secret?



The space between "suspicion" and "confirmation" yawns like the Grand Canyon. (Minus the "alleged" links part, obviously.)

BitternTwisted

BitternTwisted

I'm lost
October 2010

NOV 28, 2010 03:35 PM

Toku666 said:

alyctes said:

Colinism said:

Mark_plus_Beer said:

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I give him a year after this, something like a car crash.



No if this is any indication of what else is in those cables I give him a month tops and it will be done in an obvious way so as to deter others from doing the same. The only question will be who actually killed him.



Did I hear Adm. Mullen saying that "countless" lives would be "put at risk" by this?

And am I the only person who heard that as a threat?



Uhhh... Seriously? You didn't hear that as the same thing they say every time Wikileaks has released documents? Why would he have said "countless" (and they always do) if he weren't referring to the diplomats and officials whose actions have been exposed by the leaks? Assange only has one kid and eight fellow board members, after all. I'm pretty sure Mullen can count to ten.



Certainly I did. "Countless" can be spun, and it means "uncounted". Could be none; could be dozens.

The problem with referring to diplomats etc. is that there is no way that those officials' lives will be risked by having their opinions quoted. They might have black marks on their annual reports, but is any of them really going to be killed for what they said? How often does that happen to US officials?

Edit: I should add that threats aren't necessarily accurate. Know what I mean?


Heigai

Heigai

Columbus, OH
May 2004

NOV 28, 2010 03:44 PM

Okay, so you're just going for some last-post bullshit marathon, then?

Find a shred of evidence that it's more likely Mullen was threatening Assange than that he was talking about diplomats.

Did you know that "diplomats," when used to refer to what are actually spies, isn't necessarily accurate? Know what I mean?

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

NOV 28, 2010 03:46 PM

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I put my money on the Russians. I expect him to fall out of a building.

FreakPirate said:

Waldo_Jeffers said:


  • Reports of some Arab leaders - including Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah - urging the US to attack Iran and end its nuclear weapons programme.

  • Iran attempting to adapt North Korean rockets for use as long-range missiles

  • Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip

  • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime



Were any of these things really secret?



No kidding

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

NOV 28, 2010 03:49 PM

FermatsEnigma said:

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I put my money on the Russians. I expect him to fall out of a building.

FreakPirate said:

Waldo_Jeffers said:


  • Reports of some Arab leaders - including Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah - urging the US to attack Iran and end its nuclear weapons programme.

  • Iran attempting to adapt North Korean rockets for use as long-range missiles

  • Corruption within the Afghan government, with concerns heightened when a senior official was found to be carrying more than $50m in cash on a foreign trip

  • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime



Were any of these things really secret?



No kidding



Honestly so do I, tho I think it will be poison.

We should get a death pool together.

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

NOV 28, 2010 03:52 PM

Colinism said:

FermatsEnigma said:

Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I put my money on the Russians. I expect him to fall out of a building.

Honestly so do I, tho I think it will be poison.




We should get a death pool together.



We can make guesses like you in the game Clue. The Russians, in the Czech Republic with dioxin maybe?

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

NOV 28, 2010 03:53 PM

FermatsEnigma said:

Colinism said:

FermatsEnigma said:
Colinism said:
Man, Julian just signed his own death warrant.



I put my money on the Russians. I expect him to fall out of a building.

Honestly so do I, tho I think it will be poison.

We should get a death pool together.



We can make guesses like you in the game Clue. The Russians, in the Czech Republic with dioxin maybe?



I had the same thought. smile

I wonder if they would allow a CE deathpool thread?

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

NOV 28, 2010 03:56 PM

Colinism said:

I wonder if they would allow a CE deathpool thread?



We better stop before they close this thread

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