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arbutus

arbutus

Antarctica
August 2004

FEB 21, 2010 01:13 AM

Well, at least according to a straw poll at CPAC.

...Attendees of CPAC...cast their ballots on the third and final day of the conference and Paul was the clear winner with 31 percent of the vote."

From the Christian Science Monitor

Full article here.

It does raise an interesting question: who will be floated for office by the Republicans?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 21, 2010 07:56 AM

CPAC is pretty meaningless when it comes to who will and won't be the nominee.

I think we're looking at a third party candidate or two this time.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 21, 2010 07:59 AM

arbutus said:
It does raise an interesting question: who will be floated for office by the Republicans?



Where have you gone, Dwight D. Eisenhower?

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

FEB 21, 2010 08:22 AM

I'm still crossing my fingers:

zoom image


For only $22? I might just buy one.

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 21, 2010 09:08 AM

Cash said:

arbutus said:
It does raise an interesting question: who will be floated for office by the Republicans?



Where have you gone, Dwight D. Eisenhower?



I'd take Richard Nixon or the Elder Bush at this point.

Dan Quayle at his worst was smarter than every attendee at CPAC at their best, combined.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

FEB 21, 2010 11:10 AM


The announcement of Paul's win, a surprise victory unlikely to have a major impact on the 2012 presidential contest, drew a volley of loud boos from the CPAC audience.



Fuck that guy who agrees with me on the issues!

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 21, 2010 12:00 PM

Accuser said:


The announcement of Paul's win, a surprise victory unlikely to have a major impact on the 2012 presidential contest, drew a volley of loud boos from the CPAC audience.



Fuck that guy who agrees with me on the issues!



No, you miss understand. The American conservative movement has always had a strong intellectual base to it. Ron Paul and the Tea Party is the opposite of that. It is an emotional movement that denounces intelligence. The Conservatives affair with libertarianism will end in a very Fatal Attraction type way. And sadly, yes, there will be death involved.

anatomist1

anatomist1

Denver, CO
April 2003

FEB 21, 2010 01:37 PM

Huh? Ron Paul is about as intellectual as a politician could be. He's a pretty strict libertarian and votes against the Republicans all the time, based on his strict interpretation of the Constitution. He may have started the Tea Party, but what it is now has nothing to do with him.

The people who booed aren't interested in all that bothersome thinking, they're interested in shouting 'Communist' and 'Nazi' and supporting policies that favor perpetual foreign venture wars, a police state at home, and transforming the US into a theocracy. They basically oppose libertarianism, so they booed the libertarian. Duh.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

FEB 21, 2010 01:39 PM

the conservative movement, as a whole, has no idea what it wants.

anatomist1

anatomist1

Denver, CO
April 2003

FEB 21, 2010 01:48 PM

Haw haw. As a whole, no, but each faction does, and most of those seem to be theocrats, fascists, and war-mongers, not libertarians. From what I've read, a lot of the Ron Paul people attending this thing was sort of a net-orchestrated flash event.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

FEB 21, 2010 01:51 PM

motorfirebox said:
the conservative movement, as a whole, has no idea what it wants.


Poor Ryan Sorba. Deep down in his little heart he must want the man-sex so, so badly.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

FEB 21, 2010 03:05 PM

What the goddamn fucking fuck?

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

FEB 21, 2010 04:20 PM

motorfirebox said:
the conservative movement, as a whole, has no idea what it wants.



Was that a political convention or an episode of Jerry Springer? Impossible to tell the difference.

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 21, 2010 05:17 PM

anatomist1 said:
Huh? Ron Paul is about as intellectual as a politician could be. He's a pretty strict libertarian and votes against the Republicans all the time, based on his strict interpretation of the Constitution. He may have started the Tea Party, but what it is now has nothing to do with him.

The people who booed aren't interested in all that bothersome thinking, they're interested in shouting 'Communist' and 'Nazi' and supporting policies that favor perpetual foreign venture wars, a police state at home, and transforming the US into a theocracy. They basically oppose libertarianism, so they booed the libertarian. Duh.




No, Ron Paul is very much a stereotypical Libertarian, bat-shit crazy and unaccepting of anything resembling rational thought. No way you can call him in favor of thought. Just because someone is willing to accept an unusual and far fetched conspiracy theory does not make them intelligent and open to knew ideas.

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

FEB 21, 2010 05:30 PM

I still think that Colin Powell is pretty much the only intelligent, sane, not-full-of-bullshit and consistent Republican leader that I've seen in my lifetime.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

FEB 21, 2010 07:49 PM

Lemonkid said:
I still think that Colin Powell is pretty much the only intelligent, sane, not-full-of-bullshit and consistent Republican leader that I've seen in my lifetime.



I would like to agree but after the whole war business he has zero credibility left as far as I'm concerned.

ARRR!!!

Lemonkid

Lemonkid

Canada
May 2003

FEB 21, 2010 08:44 PM

FreakPirate said:

Lemonkid said:
I still think that Colin Powell is pretty much the only intelligent, sane, not-full-of-bullshit and consistent Republican leader that I've seen in my lifetime.



I would like to agree but after the whole war business he has zero credibility left as far as I'm concerned.

ARRR!!!



I don't always agree with him and I think he's made plenty of mistakes, but at least he admits those mistakes and also makes sense when he speaks.

vermicious_knid

vermicious_knid

Shreveport, LA
February 2008

FEB 21, 2010 09:27 PM

anatomist1 said:
The people who booed aren't interested in all that bothersome thinking, they're interested in shouting 'Communist' and 'Nazi' and supporting policies that favor perpetual foreign venture wars, a police state at home, and transforming the US into a theocracy. They basically oppose libertarianism, so they booed the libertarian. Duh.



This is basically a battle for who will lead the conservative movement - the sick as fuck neocons or the constitutionalists.

Towelly

Towelly

Philadelphia, PA
January 2007

FEB 21, 2010 10:25 PM

Pip said:

anatomist1 said:
Huh? Ron Paul is about as intellectual as a politician could be. He's a pretty strict libertarian and votes against the Republicans all the time, based on his strict interpretation of the Constitution. He may have started the Tea Party, but what it is now has nothing to do with him.

The people who booed aren't interested in all that bothersome thinking, they're interested in shouting 'Communist' and 'Nazi' and supporting policies that favor perpetual foreign venture wars, a police state at home, and transforming the US into a theocracy. They basically oppose libertarianism, so they booed the libertarian. Duh.




No, Ron Paul is very much a stereotypical Libertarian, bat-shit crazy and unaccepting of anything resembling rational thought. No way you can call him in favor of thought. Just because someone is willing to accept an unusual and far fetched conspiracy theory does not make them intelligent and open to knew ideas.



Well, to be perfectly fair, he can also read the document he claims to cherish. I don't hear Paul, for instance, talk about how disgraceful it is to Mirandize non-citizens, when it plainly says in the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments that these are protections we extend to "Persons" and "the accused", and when last I heard citizenship was not equivalent with either. I fully agree that his economic theories belong in the dustbin of history, but you take your victories where you can get them.

anatomist1

anatomist1

Denver, CO
April 2003

FEB 22, 2010 10:36 AM

I didn't respond to Pip because meaningless gibberish and name-calling doesn't merit rebuttal. As for this Miranda thing, I don't get the reference.

I am not a Ron Paul supporter, but he seems like a paragon of thoughtfulness and integrity compared to most politicians, particularly Republicans.

Taken literally, the simplistic atomized view of individual vs society that Libertarians hold is flawed. Pursued to it's logical conclusion, a wholly Libertarian gov't would be a disaster. However, these are theoretical concerns. Since most Americans believe in a fantastical sky God, which is far more absurd, I don't see the Libertarian world view as that far out, relatively, and since they are never going to succeed in completely changing the US into a Libertarian free-for-all, I don't see that as a big concern either.

Meanwhile, they oppose what I think are some of the biggest problems the US has right now: foreign military adventurism, the development of a police state at home, the rise of theocracy, an excess of bureaucracy, waste and stupid laws in many levels of gov't... all as a matter of principle. Practically speaking, they're pretty much OK with me.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

FEB 22, 2010 12:09 PM

Oh I hope Ron Paul runs again in 2012, not because I agree with 90% of his amazingly flawed take on the Constitution and the role of government, but because that crazy ol' gnome and his horde of internet sycophants are comedy gold.

Google Ron Paul blimp if you disagree, dollface.

Oh, and anyone putting any stock in the CPAC straw poll must have forgotten how Mitt Romney won 2 years in a row and didn't get nominated for shit.

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

FEB 22, 2010 12:14 PM

Uncognitive said:
Oh I hope Ron Paul runs again in 2012, not because I agree with 90% of his amazingly flawed take on the Constitution and the role of government, but because that crazy ol' gnome and his horde of internet sycophants are comedy gold.

Google Ron Paul blimp if you disagree, dollface.

Oh, and anyone putting any stock in the CPAC straw poll must have forgotten how Mitt Romney won 2 years in a row and didn't get nominated for shit.



Google Ron Paul blimp if you disagree, dollface.

*sigh*

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

FEB 22, 2010 12:26 PM

Uncognitive said:
Oh I hope Ron Paul runs again in 2012, not because I agree with 90% of his amazingly flawed take on the Constitution and the role of government, but because that crazy ol' gnome and his horde of internet sycophants are comedy gold.

Google Ron Paul blimp if you disagree, dollface.

Oh, and anyone putting any stock in the CPAC straw poll must have forgotten how Mitt Romney won 2 years in a row and didn't get nominated for shit.



Seriously. We're talking about a mass grouping of people at a convention that didn't laugh their asses off when Glenn Beck said (roughly) "when we expand government, we lose a part of ourselves. We take away the right to struggle." Amazing. I don't remember that being enumerated as a right. I would love to hear about how hard ol' Glenn ever had to "struggle."

I'm glad that kind of spin is coming largely only from him. However, it's not as if we aren't waging constant battle with that kind of philosophy when we're talking about libertarians and (though they do it selectively) neocons.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

FEB 22, 2010 09:11 PM

vermicious_knid said:
This is basically a battle for who will lead the conservative movement - the sick as fuck neocons or the constitutionalists.



...and the nutball theocons, and the populist dimwits, and the faux-patriotic xenophobes, and the hypocritical moralists, and what seems to be the vast majority of the folks at CPAC who pretend to be all of the above whenever it suits them to do so.

Dr. Paul is not immune to this, by the way. His boy definitely ain't.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

FEB 22, 2010 09:55 PM

motorfirebox said:
the conservative movement, as a whole, has no idea what it wants.



This is in comparison to the progressive movement, who, as a whole, is remarkably unified and focused?

I mean, fair's fair.

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