Yesterday I introduced you to our new website, FixCongressFirst.org, which is dedicated to reforming our political system through the Fair Elections Now Act.
As you explored this new site, you might have wondered, "Fix Congress first... then what?"
We all know it's going to take a comprehensive effort to achieve the kind of lasting reform that our democracy needs. Passing the Fair Elections Now Act is an essential first step, and with your support I know we can help make this legislation into law.
But the Citizens United ruling two weeks ago made one thing clear: the Supreme Court will not be our ally in the fight to restore the public's trust in Congress. If we want to guarantee that nothing will stand in the way of fundamental reform -- now or in the future -- then we have no choice but to write this reform into our founding document, the Constitution itself.
That's why I called last month for a constitutional amendment to protect the independence of Congress that would guarantee its accountability to no one but the People.
Today we announce another new website, CallAConvention.org, which is devoted to this effort to pass a constitutional amendment.
Our Constitution provides two paths to an amendment. The first begins in Congress, but I don't believe we can rely on Congress to upend the status quo that keeps members in office by giving them financial incentives to cater to special interests. Moreover, we shouldn't distract Congress from the vital task of passing the Fair Elections Now Act.
The second path -- the path I believe we should take -- is to call a Constitutional Convention. Our Framers established this process for moments just like this one: when the American public demands fundamental change, but Washington is unable or unwilling to heed their call. This path bypasses Congress, enabling the states to initiate a convention by passing resolutions through their legislatures.
Our new website will help our community lead the way to a Constitutional Convention and a constitutional amendment that preserves the integrity of our governing institutions. Click here to visit this new site, learn more, and sign on to support this movement:
Our country has never held a Constitutional Convention, and the audacity of such a call does not escape me. But I am convinced that this is possible.
I'm convinced by the outpouring of outrage in the wake of the Citizens United decision. I'm convinced by the passion of those who offered me words of support and encouragement after my call for an amendment last week. And I'm convinced by the American people's history of strength and resolve in the face of overwhelming obstacles.
There is a will in this country to solve problems that have blocked progress for too long. If we can channel this will, remain focused, and unite around a common vision -- a vision that ignores partisan agendas in favor of a shared desire to preserve the integrity of our political system -- then I have no doubt this can be done.
In the coming weeks, we'll begin a discussion about exactly how we're going to get this done, and we'll be asking all of you to get involved and take a leadership role in a movement to change this country. Stay tuned for much, much more.
Fix Congress first. Then call a Convention.
This is our path -- this is how we'll restore our democracy.
my question is, if every other aspect of the political process has been compromised, what makes you think that a constitutional convention wouldn't be, thereby causing so much more harm?
Volkov said:
my question is, if every other aspect of the political process has been compromised, what makes you think that a constitutional convention wouldn't be, thereby causing so much more harm?
I don't get it either. I'm imagining what kind of amendment we could get 34 states to agree on, and it's not pretty.
Eh, the Constitutional Convention angle has been played before. By the John Birch Society. It's not going to happen, nor would I want it to happen. Even assuming we had the talent to match the original Founding Fathers, we certainly don't have the means of putting their modern equals into the Convention.
I'd rather live with a broken Congress than let Team Beck put anyone within 100 miles of modifying the Constitution.
That's pretty much my thinking. I'm not too enthusiastic about opening up the possibility of amendments that, among other things, might recognize a national religion or language, or do away with something pesky like a right to privacy, etc. For all the good things that could be accomplished, there are just as many troubling ideas that people are going to want to engrave in stone.
Mummer85 said:
That's pretty much my thinking. I'm not too enthusiastic about opening up the possibility of amendments that, among other things, might recognize a national religion or language, or do away with something pesky like a right to privacy, etc. For all the good things that could be accomplished, there are just as many troubling ideas that people are going to want to engrave in stone.
I'm not arguing in favor of a Constitutional Convention...but isn't this happening anyway? I mean it seems we're heading irrevocably into Christianization, with the mutual interests of the "Church" and corporations controlling the government. If liberalism/democratic socialism/democracy were given a chance to be salvaged, it would be now/in the past year.
Regarding what Towelly said...Team Bush modified the Constitution and Team Beck is well within 100 miles of it.
Towelly said:
Eh, the Constitutional Convention angle has been played before. By the John Birch Society. It's not going to happen, nor would I want it to happen. Even assuming we had the talent to match the original Founding Fathers, we certainly don't have the means of putting their modern equals into the Convention.
I'd rather live with a broken Congress than let Team Beck put anyone within 100 miles of modifying the Constitution.
we have the talent, what we dont have is the ability to limit the writing to <15 people like the founding fathers did. we could EASILY get together 10 or 15 of the greatest minds and come up with a brilliant document, but we would then have a bunch of people screaming about not being allowed in the writing process and who then wouldn't be involved (think health insurance reform x 15 million) and it would never get ratified.
Volkov said:
my question is, if every other aspect of the political process has been compromised, what makes you think that a constitutional convention wouldn't be, thereby causing so much more harm?
I don't get it either. I'm imagining what kind of amendment we could get 34 states to agree on, and it's not pretty.
The Federal government has been seizing more and more power from the states ever since the Civil War. A Constitutional Convention would likely end in disaster.
yeah. calling a convention is a nice, romantic notion, but in reality, the same problems that plague our democracy now would weigh in tenfold at such an event.
jonas_thorazine said:
I'm not arguing in favor of a Constitutional Convention...but isn't this happening anyway? I mean it seems we're heading irrevocably into Christianization, with the mutual interests of the "Church" and corporations controlling the government.
I am keenly interested in any major proofs you could provide for this opinion.
jonas_thorazine said:
I'm not arguing in favor of a Constitutional Convention...but isn't this happening anyway? I mean it seems we're heading irrevocably into Christianization, with the mutual interests of the "Church" and corporations controlling the government.
I am keenly interested in any major proofs you could provide for this opinion.
i don't agree with senior thorazine that the shift is irrevocable, and i'm not even sure i agree that we're moving towards--rather than away from--a stronger christian bent in the government. but it's undeniable that there are powerful, well-connected groups with strong popular support who seek to move the national government towards certain forms of christianity. defeating them is hardly a foregone conclusion.
Irrevocable was a poor word choice-I was drunk when I threw in my 2 cents this morning-and my statement was broad and rushed and rooted in an urge just to say SOMETHING. And that something looks a little off-topic anyway.
I'm inept as far as research and construction of arguments go-in other words, I'm a blogger-but Christian Nationalism has been my pet intellectual interest for the past six months or so. Writers like Michelle Goldberg and Chris Hedges have written books on the subject; that interview with Hedges (in lieu of my missing notes) provides more support for my beer-soaked declaration than I can muster.
hey, before this thread get hopelessly de-railed. i urge you
to goto the the logical coherence & strength of conclusions Larry Lessig
and before we return to rattling sabers b/c if that lameO supream court vote thay got the publics twisted up last month read the document which created the controversy.
hey, before this thread get hopelessly de-railed. i urge you
to goto the the logical coherence & strength of conclusions Larry Lessig.
and before we return to sabbers rattling raised by thet lameO supream court vote thay got the publics twisted up last month readcitzens united v FEC. which way this hairball surfaced.
hey, before this thread get hopelessly de-railed. i urge you
to goto the the logical coherence & strength of conclusions Larry Lessig.
and before we return to sabbers rattling raised by thet lameO supream court vote thay got the publics twisted up last month readcitzens united v FEC. which way this hairball surfaced.
disregard ^ 2 entries.
it should read before this thread get hopelessly de-railed. i urge you to hear Larry Lessig conculsions on this here and reference it to supream court ruling that precipated it here
I would urge my fellow citizens to post only when reasonably sober. ^^^^
There is no political will for this. Reconstituting governance in a fantastically wealthy, stupendously self-indulgant society is not going to happen. Feel free to carry on the discussion in the abstract, however.
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