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alhim

alhim

Bridgeville, PA
January 2003

JAN 25, 2004 05:35 PM

Marko said:
nope ... Blamerificans



Dude, your just not hip anymore, its Blamerifizzies.
Shizzle.

isthatallthereis

isthatallthereis

Atlanta, GA
November 2003

FEB 04, 2004 10:19 AM

edited b/c i got to angry and i try not to get angry mad smile kiss

[Edited on Feb 10, 2004 by poshpunk711]

doctashock

doctashock

Los Angeles, CA
September 2003

FEB 05, 2004 07:00 AM

Dante0 said:
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. struggled to break down the barriers between blacks and whites and fought for equality, and in his wake, many blacks have struggled to rebuild those walls and separate themselves from everyone else. "Separate, but equal" was a white, racist policy. I don't see why it appeals to so many.



Damn, you know that feeling you get when you think you are the only person who has considered a certain school of thought and then somebody else turns around and says exactly what you had been thinking to yourself the whole frickin time...

This issue is way too complex to sum up in a simple little comment. I feel you can't really blame people for not knowing any different. And even though there have been great strides made toward equality, defacto racism still exists. Mostly in the form of stereotyping (which many blacks go out of their way to reinforce). But for the most part I agree with Dante0. I could talk about this shit for days upon end, but to tell the truth I really don't feel like it because in the end usually nobody ever listens.

By the way real "reverse racism" is when you hold a positive view of a particular ethnicity for al the wrong reasons: (i.e. "I only mess around with black guys because I like thugz.)

:sigh: whatever

sinisterbhvr

sinisterbhvr

Buffalo, NY
November 2003

FEB 05, 2004 07:09 AM

doctashock said:

Dante0 said:
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. struggled to break down the barriers between blacks and whites and fought for equality, and in his wake, many blacks have struggled to rebuild those walls and separate themselves from everyone else. "Separate, but equal" was a white, racist policy. I don't see why it appeals to so many.



Damn, you know that feeling you get when you think you are the only person who has considered a certain school of thought and then somebody else turns around and says exactly what you had been thinking to yourself the whole frickin time...

This issue is way too complex to sum up in a simple little comment. I feel you can't really blame people for not knowing any different. And even though there have been great strides made toward equality, defacto racism still exists. Mostly in the form of stereotyping (which many blacks go out of their way to reinforce). But for the most part I agree with Dante0. I could talk about this shit for days upon end, but to tell the truth I really don't feel like it because in the end usually nobody ever listens.

By the way real "reverse racism" is when you hold a positive view of a particular ethnicity for al the wrong reasons: (i.e. "I only mess around with black guys because I like thugz.)

:sigh: whatever



I smell a brain in this thread.

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 05, 2004 07:10 AM

doctashock said:

Dante0 said:
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. struggled to break down the barriers between blacks and whites and fought for equality, and in his wake, many blacks have struggled to rebuild those walls and separate themselves from everyone else. "Separate, but equal" was a white, racist policy. I don't see why it appeals to so many.



Damn, you know that feeling you get when you think you are the only person who has considered a certain school of thought and then somebody else turns around and says exactly what you had been thinking to yourself the whole frickin time...

This issue is way too complex to sum up in a simple little comment. I feel you can't really blame people for not knowing any different. And even though there have been great strides made toward equality, defacto racism still exists. Mostly in the form of stereotyping (which many blacks go out of their way to reinforce). But for the most part I agree with Dante0. I could talk about this shit for days upon end, but to tell the truth I really don't feel like it because in the end usually nobody ever listens.

By the way real "reverse racism" is when you hold a positive view of a particular ethnicity for al the wrong reasons: (i.e. "I only mess around with black guys because I like thugz.)

:sigh: whatever



you give me hope that maybe one day this crap will be far behind us
ARRR!!!

sinisterbhvr

sinisterbhvr

Buffalo, NY
November 2003

FEB 05, 2004 07:18 AM

I would like to know what grades this kid had, what clubs he was in, how many extra curricular programs he was in. I would guess he probably didn't deserve an award. He needs to get his face smacked red. High School kids are mostly insensitve and cruel. (you can usualy thank the parents). With all the hardships that Black Americans had to indure we award them with the coldest, shortest month to celebrate their history. Then you have some prepubesent piss pot (who is just a number on a list of many, old and young) who decides to make a mockery of it. mad

dvsskunk

dvsskunk

Westminster, CO
December 2003

FEB 05, 2004 07:28 AM

Makes you wonder doesn't it. No matter what you say you just aren't right. If you say the kids from africa he should be able to apply or whatever, you are a bigot, if you say hes a little cock sucker for doing it , you are drawing a line between black white people. I am just gonna keep my fat mouth closed on this one. whatever

sinisterbhvr

sinisterbhvr

Buffalo, NY
November 2003

FEB 05, 2004 07:34 AM

dvsskunk said:
Makes you wonder doesn't it. No matter what you say you just aren't right. If you say the kids from africa he should be able to apply or whatever, you are a bigot, if you say hes a little cock sucker for doing it , you are drawing a line between black white people. I am just gonna keep my fat mouth closed on this one. whatever



There is nothing wrong with drawing a line of differences, the best way to fully accept someone is to understand the differences, and be tolerant of them. Chances are this kid was brought up in a racist family.

smile

grahf

grahf

New York, NY
September 2002

FEB 05, 2004 01:55 PM

Either that or he has his finger on the pulse of the country and a finely-honed instinct for how to stir up the maximum possible amount of shit. In other words, say hello to the next Eminem folks.

Dante0

Dante0

Sandusky, OH
September 2003

FEB 05, 2004 05:58 PM

reprobate said:
The kid is South African. He was born under one of the most brutally racist regimes the world has ever known. He moves to one of the whitest states in the union to go to a school that is 98% white and he decides to fuck with black kids on King Day.

And youre surpised people got a little upset?

And for the reading challenged among us. He wasn't trying to win an award. There is no voting. Its decided by the faculty. Next year. Its one of the hundreds of idiotic achievement awards that everybody with a pulse gets at graduation. What he was doing at the very least was trying to stir up shit in his backwards ass whiter than Wonderbread Omaha school.

You do what you like and tell youreselves we're all equal, but me I'm going to judge the little creep on the content of his character. I hear some of his best friends are black. No, really, his mother actually said that.



Just because he is white and was born under a racist regime doesn't automatically make him a racist. While you berate everyone for trying see people as equals, you turn right around and make a stereotyping, gratuitous assumption about someone you've never even met, and even go as far as to judge his character. How can you judge the character of someone you don't know, and have never even spoken to?

What you're doing is not judging his character, but it is judging the character of the government of the country he was born in, and systematically applying it to the entire demographic. That's not exactly fair.

The process for bestowing the award and the faculty's motivations are irrelevant. It was dubbed an award for "African-Americans", and by that description, he qualified more than anyone else in the school. Things like this happen when you play word games.

I was born in a lilly white suburb of Cleveland to a father who was a racist and a homophobe, and I was instilled with those values as I grew up. I was a racist, until I actually met a black person, and saw that my general assumptions about their character were wrong. Likewise, I was a homophobe, until I actually met a gay person, and saw that my general assumptions about their character were wrong. Now, more than fifteen years later, I've had several close friends who are black, and my best friend is gay...and I've even changed my father's misguided values as a result. Now, I do not make judgements about people that I'm not in a position to know anything about.

You can go ahead and make judgements about character, without the benefit of knowing their character, and I'll continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, until I learn for myself that he was just causing trouble.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

FEB 05, 2004 08:08 PM

Dante0 said:

reprobate said:
The kid is South African. He was born under one of the most brutally racist regimes the world has ever known. He moves to one of the whitest states in the union to go to a school that is 98% white and he decides to fuck with black kids on King Day.

And youre surpised people got a little upset?

And for the reading challenged among us. He wasn't trying to win an award. There is no voting. Its decided by the faculty. Next year. Its one of the hundreds of idiotic achievement awards that everybody with a pulse gets at graduation. What he was doing at the very least was trying to stir up shit in his backwards ass whiter than Wonderbread Omaha school.

You do what you like and tell youreselves we're all equal, but me I'm going to judge the little creep on the content of his character. I hear some of his best friends are black. No, really, his mother actually said that.



Just because he is white and was born under a racist regime doesn't automatically make him a racist. While you berate everyone for trying see people as equals, you turn right around and make a stereotyping, gratuitous assumption about someone you've never even met, and even go as far as to judge his character. How can you judge the character of someone you don't know, and have never even spoken to?



Hmmmn, did I say he was a racist? Nope, I didn't. I siad he was an asshole, and he is. You can ignore the totality of the cicumstances all you like, but he's still an immigrant from the most racially repressive regime in recent history who "ran" for an award you cant run for, a year in advance, on MLK day in a school with a tiny number of actual black people. You don't have to be a racist, or a genius to realize that this was going to upset a whole lot of people for no purpose whatsoever.

Dante0

Dante0

Sandusky, OH
September 2003

FEB 05, 2004 08:35 PM

reprobate said:
Hmmmn, did I say he was a racist? Nope, I didn't. I siad he was an asshole, and he is.


Yes, I guess you did, come to think about it. I stand corrected, and I apologize for misquoting you.


You can ignore the totality of the cicumstances all you like, but he's still an immigrant from the most racially repressive regime in recent history who "ran" for an award you cant run for, a year in advance, on MLK day in a school with a tiny number of actual black people. You don't have to be a racist, or a genius to realize that this was going to upset a whole lot of people for no purpose whatsoever.


I wasn't ignoring the totality of the circumstances. I didn't have the totality of the circumstances. The linked article was five paragraphs and two sentences long, and offered no information other than what happened and what the kid said after the fact. It had no information on demographics, or statements from any of the other kids involved, or how he interacted with his black classmates. While I had no doubt that people would have been upset by it, there was not enough information for me to form a valid opinion as to his character, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

However, your debate inspired me to do some additional research on the subject. And you have no idea how much it kills me to admit that I was wrong, but dayum...

Here's what I found...

"The posters were intended to be satire on the term African-American," Scott Rambo told the Omaha World-Herald.

Scott Rambo was one of the other kids suspended for the incident.

Now, I'm a fan of satire and all, but there are just some times where it's not exactly appropriate. Doing something like this in a school where only 56 of the 1,632 students were black, meets and exceeds the requirements.

Asshole. Through and through.

[Edited repeatedly for the 3.2 billion gramatical errors I made]

[Edited on Feb 05, 2004 by Dante0]

judypatricia

judypatricia

Brookline, MA
January 2004

FEB 05, 2004 09:03 PM

From my cultural anthropology text:

"Popular racial classifications are primarily cultural constructions, not biological realities. For example, the five categories--black, white, American Indian--Alaskan Native, Asian--Pacific Islander, and Hispanic--used by the US Census in 1980 and 1990 are culturally produced legal fictions that have no scientific validity. Culturally defined racial categories mix legal citizenship and ethnicity with naive assumptions about skin color and blood, but they ignore the genetic facts of life. For example, the US government follows a blood quantum rule and recognizes "American Indians" as legal tribal members only if they can demonstrate ancestry of at least one-fourth "full blood." But "full blood" is itself a legal fiction based on previous tribal enrollments. Thus, "American Indian" is legally declared to be biological category. Similarly, an American with a single black grandparent is likely to be classified "black." The underlying myth of such racial categories is that genetically "pure" races exist....
Human racial classifications are scientifically inappropriate for several reasons. Humans constitute a global, polymorphic, continuously interbreeding population. For the past 30,000 years, no peoples, other than a handful of tiny populations on remote islands, have been isolated long enough to produce more than a relatively small genetic distance from any other human populations. Therefore, any scientific classification of people into genetic populations must necessarily be an arbitrary exercise based on variations in gene frequencies...."

(Sorry that was so long; just found it interesting.)

doctashock

doctashock

Los Angeles, CA
September 2003

FEB 06, 2004 07:30 AM

Without actually researching it myself.....

The kid is from Africa, right? How much could he have known about the American cultural landscape and the history of the "African American" experience in the U.S. How long has he actually lived here? He's only like 19 right?

Obviously he could not have been totally ignorant of the racial tensions that run through the veins of the country, but I think he was negatively influenced by his asshole friends who should really know what's going on.

I think the kid may have been a pawn for the four other guys involved to start some shit. I'm not excusing him completely, but with enough coaxing, I'm sure he came to the conclusion (corresctly or uncorrectly) that he was definitely more deserving of the award than anyone else.

For him, the controversy that would occur was probably little more than an afterthought.

Of course I didn't look into it. So I'm talking out of ignorance. (much like he might have been.)

(I love the debate going on here between Dant0 and Reprobate. Glad to see intelligent lifeforms still exist)

Rockoval

Rockoval

I'm lost
July 2006

DEC 05, 2007 08:21 PM

Woah, there's a thread about this. I know Trevor personally. He is certainly not racist and was probably just trying to be a smart ass. I found the whole ordeal kind of funny, the way people get all worked up over semantics.

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

DEC 05, 2007 08:37 PM

New rule: members are not permitted to bump threads that predate their membership date.

Formus

Formus

Milwaukee, WI
May 2007

DEC 05, 2007 08:59 PM

IDGAS said:
New rule: members are not permitted to bump threads that predate their membership date.


New rule:

Take it easy homes!

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

DEC 05, 2007 09:05 PM

New rule: There are no rules.










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Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 05, 2007 09:16 PM

Rockoval said:
Woah, there's a thread about this. I know Trevor personally. He is certainly not racist and was probably just trying to be a smart ass. I found the whole ordeal kind of funny, the way people get all worked up over semantics.


Not racist, just insensitive. Great.

IDGAS said:
New rule: members are not permitted to bump threads that predate their membership date.


I support this.

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