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LeGuerrier

LeGuerrier

Saint Pierre And Miquelon
July 2003

JAN 15, 2004 10:45 PM

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/questionnaire.pl?page=1

Answering a series of questions on this website can visually show you from where on the political spectrum your dogma spews. Many people I know that thought themselves to be on the right were amazed to find that their belief structure was of a centrist or mildly leftist persuasion according to this test. Whether or not you think it's accurate it's still a bit of fun. Try it out.

Accurate has 2 c's, dammit.

[Edited on Jan 15, 2004 by LeGuerrier]

sportdeath

sportdeath

I'm lost
December 2003

JAN 15, 2004 10:54 PM

my political compass

Hmmm.
Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38

Comparing to their list of famous people I seem to be to the left of, and more libertarian than, Mandela or the Dalai Lama.

[Edited on Jan 15, 2004 by sportdeath]

[Edited on Jan 15, 2004 by sportdeath]

LeGuerrier

LeGuerrier

Saint Pierre And Miquelon
July 2003

JAN 15, 2004 11:04 PM

Mine turned out,

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28

Notice how Thatcher was even more economically to the right than Hitler.

DeadlyEye

DeadlyEye

Memphis, TN
December 2003

JAN 15, 2004 11:14 PM

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

Which is a bit lower than Mandela and a little left of the Dalai Lama.

sportdeath

sportdeath

I'm lost
December 2003

JAN 15, 2004 11:17 PM

LeGuerrier said:


Notice how Thatcher was even more economically to the right than Hitler.



It is also true of Dubya.

Napalm1

Napalm1

Phoenix, AZ
July 2003

JAN 15, 2004 11:34 PM

Economic Left/Right:-7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82


Interesting test Comrade.

Napalm1

Napalm1

Phoenix, AZ
July 2003

JAN 15, 2004 11:42 PM

Take the quiz, Iconochasms, at the bottom too. It's very interesting.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JAN 15, 2004 11:46 PM

Ummmm, guys, this quiz under its various names isn't neutral, its absurdly simplistic and rigged to make everyone more libertarian than they thought.

It was created by the founder of the Libertarian Party.

DeadlyEye

DeadlyEye

Memphis, TN
December 2003

JAN 15, 2004 11:53 PM

reprobate said:
Ummmm, guys, this quiz under its various names isn't neutral, its absurdly simplistic and rigged to make everyone more libertarian than they thought.

It was created by the founder of the Libertarian Party.



Actually, my dad showed me this a long while back.
He is very conservative/right-wing. Thats what it showed too.
It wasn't even close to Libertarian results.

[Edited on Jan 16, 2004 by deadlyeye]

LeGuerrier

LeGuerrier

Saint Pierre And Miquelon
July 2003

JAN 15, 2004 11:53 PM

From the website...

"It's important to realise that this isn't a survey, and these aren't questions. They're propositions - an altogether different proposition. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are more moderate. That's how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass."

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JAN 15, 2004 11:57 PM

reprobate said:
Ummmm, guys, this quiz under its various names isn't neutral, its absurdly simplistic and rigged to make everyone more libertarian than they thought.

It was created by the founder of the Libertarian Party.



perhaps you're thinking of "the world's smallest political quiz" (the nolan chart), which looks much like the political compass, except it only has a handful of questions, designed to trick you into thinking you're a libertarian.

the political compass seems to have been developed by a couple of brits with no particular connection to any party, as a curiosity. or so the story goes.

Scopitone

Scopitone

Irvine, CA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 15, 2004 11:58 PM

Suckaz

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JAN 16, 2004 12:06 AM

s5 said:

reprobate said:
Ummmm, guys, this quiz under its various names isn't neutral, its absurdly simplistic and rigged to make everyone more libertarian than they thought.

It was created by the founder of the Libertarian Party.



perhaps you're thinking of "the world's smallest political quiz" (the nolan chart), which looks much like the political compass, except it only has a handful of questions, designed to trick you into thinking you're a libertarian.

the political compass seems to have been developed by a couple of brits with no particular connection to any party, as a curiosity. or so the story goes.



Its a Nolan axis, plain and simple. The very premise that the axes function deterministically under those conditions was Nolans whole premise. To say it has no libertarian bias is like saying a quiz that posits divine intercession, apostolic succession, transubstantiation and denial of the five solas has no Catholic bias.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JAN 16, 2004 12:19 AM

reprobate said:
Its a Nolan axis, plain and simple. The very premise that the axes function deterministically under those conditions was Nolans whole premise. To say it has no libertarian bias is like saying a quiz that posits divine intercession, apostolic succession, transubstantiation and denial of the five solas has no Catholic bias.



i guess so. i'm not a libertarian, but i think the axes actually make a lot of sense, regardless of who invented it or what he was thinking at the time.

Volkov

Volkov

San Antonio, TX
OLD SKOOL

JAN 16, 2004 12:22 AM

I've taken this thing four or five times in the past and i tend to drift around a bit, but almost always near the center...which makes me happy actually.
this time.
Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72

I usually end up in this quadrant though.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JAN 16, 2004 12:28 AM

Most people score in the southwest quadrant on this test.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JAN 16, 2004 12:36 AM

s5 said:

reprobate said:
Its a Nolan axis, plain and simple. The very premise that the axes function deterministically under those conditions was Nolans whole premise. To say it has no libertarian bias is like saying a quiz that posits divine intercession, apostolic succession, transubstantiation and denial of the five solas has no Catholic bias.



i guess so. i'm not a libertarian, but i think the axes actually make a lot of sense, regardless of who invented it or what he was thinking at the time.



Its designed to make sense, its a persuasive tool. The question is it a valid predictor of anything and is it useful in formulating policy and the answer is not really. Its a descriptor. Nothing wrong with that, but thats not what its presented as.

vastad

vastad

United Kingdom
December 2002

JAN 16, 2004 12:37 AM

This has already been posted.

I think it's biased.

LeGuerrier

LeGuerrier

Saint Pierre And Miquelon
July 2003

JAN 16, 2004 12:42 AM

I think it's biased as well, socially I'd register much more to the right if the scales were tipped a bit back to the center. The website is interesting none the less though, the reason I posted it in the first place.

Volkov

Volkov

San Antonio, TX
OLD SKOOL

JAN 16, 2004 12:45 AM

it's an example of framed questioning and therefor somewhat biased. but if you can account for that it still has some merit.

Evildoc

Evildoc

Zimbabwe
November 2003

JAN 16, 2004 12:51 AM

So you guys are saying that Jesse Helms would show up as a libertarian leftist because the questions are so biased?

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

JAN 16, 2004 12:53 AM

reprobate said:
Its designed to make sense, its a persuasive tool. The question is it a valid predictor of anything and is it useful in formulating policy and the answer is not really. Its a descriptor. Nothing wrong with that, but thats not what its presented as.



the tool didn't need to persuade me of anything, though. i've always thought there was something incomplete about the left/right scale.

Mylf

mylf

Framingham, MA
April 2003

JAN 16, 2004 01:11 AM

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74


I found the read at the end of the test more interesting than the test itself.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JAN 16, 2004 10:39 AM

s5 said:

reprobate said:
Its designed to make sense, its a persuasive tool. The question is it a valid predictor of anything and is it useful in formulating policy and the answer is not really. Its a descriptor. Nothing wrong with that, but thats not what its presented as.



the tool didn't need to persuade me of anything, though. i've always thought there was something incomplete about the left/right scale.



Of course the left right scale in inadequate. Its a 19th century French construct. It does not remotely capture the vagaries of 20th century Ameican pluralism and coalitions.

The question is, is a loaded assertion about civil liberties a viable or even comparable second axis. Even as someone extremely concerned with them as well as the individuals political relationship to society, I have to say no. Theyre apples and oranges. They only become of the same order when you conflate economic regulation with liberty, which is of course the heart of libertarianism. The very nature of the second axis presuposes the entire basis of libertarianism. Youve accepted that which is up for consideration before you even answer the first question.

As for persuiasion, youre a bit more sophisticated than their target audience. The basic purpose of the tool is to make people go, "Hey, I'm a libertarian and I didn't even know it." Nevertheless you still granted the entire premise of an ideology you disagree with when you said it makes sense.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

JAN 16, 2004 11:23 AM

.....here's my score

Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.08

I'm proud to say, I'm slightly on the left and slightly libertarian, but mostly dead centre - now that should surprise anyone who thought I was a fascist!!!

Although, compared to many of the scores declared here, I'm more conservative than Attilla The Hun!!!!!!

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