Calling all fake liberals ...

The devil is in the details is what I've been told ...

I want all of you supporters of Obama to click the CSPAN link provided and find out what exactly your fake corporate whore president actually has in mind. It is the Massachusetts plan where the Federal government becomes a collection arm for the for profit, slogged down in derivatives, insurance industry who forces you to buy their shit product under penalty, so that they can speculate and inflate trading bubbles.

This is effectively a trillion dollar bailout without the stigma of being called a bailout.

I recommend watching the entire program, but the relevant portion begins at 4:00 and the super relevant portion begins at 9:10

health insurance lobbyists input

This is the Romney fake neo-con complete handover to the insurance hyenas of the fake populist Federal centralization plan with Obama as the paper thin mascot. They are going to call it "compromise" and "bipartisanship" or meeting a happy medium where the "private insurance sector remains profitable" and "coverage to all Americans is extended." It will be blamed on Republicans and Blue Dogs as the treat for going along with it, etc... but make no doubt, this whole charade, from day one, has been the intent of the Obama backers.

Oh don't you worry, you'll get "cost containment" and "cost curbing" or "rationing" if you want to call it that, and suddenly the Republicans will agree that a small and expendable portion of the population contributes disproportionately to the costs of healthcare eugenics and the death panels are good and an efficient allocation of public funds. And liberals will cite op-eds by Singer and others, blahblahfuckingblah, so you will also be completely for the eugenics too. While the derivatives bubble gets reinflated for the benefit of market speculators now that 40 million people are forced to contribute, er, i mean have coverage extended to them.

... And the best part is you'll call it "hope" and "change" and "yes we can" and all of that other bullshit while the genocide and fascist squeezing takes place, and the scrapping of New Deal measures takes place under left cover, union busting as all forms of production are pushed out and further globalization occurs, all of it ...

If you still support this phony, at this point, you are the fraud.

Your listening skill are as good as your reading comprehension. In other words you fail at both!

Who would you like as President then ?

EGOS?????????????????????

Please, please don't ask that question.

Like a toddler having a hissy fit, it's best to just let him tire himself out.

Haha, genocide.

Ok, seriously? I couldn't get past the introduction of the reporters - even college interns know how to dress more appropriately for a television appearance. It looked like a high school debate. Granted, Douche Limbaugh wears several thousand dollar suits and is even less worth listening to, but at least make an attempt.

*sigh* You almost had something here. You came so close to offering a real argument by a conservative against this health care reform.

Why did anybody read this blather? You knew what it was going to say.

Mockery is fun

Bullshit.

The woman lets you know the insurance companies are behind this legislation and support this legislation. The whole notion that the insurance industry is opposed to this is a total farce. To the degree that they have given lip service opposition, it is a Brer Rabbit and Briar Patch skit.

From the 4 minute mark on, she explains that the key is forcing "low risk" (i.e. young, healthy people) demographics into participation.

At 8 minutes, she explains that they are the ones who initially proposed this idea. At 9:15 - 9:30, she explains that it will be a involuntary system of mandated private insurance coverage backed by Federal law.

I don't know how to make it any more clear.

Insurance companies are behind this and their goal is to use the government as a vehicle to get them 40 million more/new customers. <---- Straight from the horse's fucking mouth.

Maybe you need to brush up on your ability to comprehend for context.

Can we feed them to the death panels?

What?

Once again, this troll thinks he knows something, links it all together with a vast conspiracy, and insults all the members who disagree with him. And gets away with it.

Did that actually make sense? Was there a point?

No, it didn't make sense. He never makes sense.

You know it's funny. I am one of the few people that actually backs their opinions with links to how they arrived at them ... and that is called "trolling."

You just examine the track record. What I put forth and tell you is happening eventually pans out and is spot on. You can call it "conspiracy theories" or whatever, but I've seen the playbook - like a defensive co-ordinator I know before the play is called what the opposition runs on down and distance situations.

I knew from day fucking one that the Trilateral commission had Obama as their man and I called it in the primaries. I called it from day fucking one that he would run smoke screens to funnel and shovel public funds to Wall St. and the derivatives insurance industry.

I have personally made a small fucking fortune in the market applying my "conspiracy theories" about how shit actually operates.

People better start listening to people like myself.

How did I know that there would be no public option? How did I know that it would be spun as "hey angry people, stop showing up to townhalls and bitching" because the phony Republicans now back it? How did I know that there would be a change in direction in the pitching of the plan? How did I know that there would not be a "government takeover" and was nothing more than a classic bait and switch tailor made for uninformed liberals?

You ask yourself these fucking questions. Who runs point on every major issue? The "conspiracy theorists" or the lying corporate media?

Yup, it is really funny.

So you think healthcare reform is covert attempt to introduce eugenics into the United States?

It is one aspect of it but the larger and more tangible aspect is the reinflation of a derivatives bubble.

I think the term "eugenics" is so large and broad (and also tainted by association to early 20th century race science) that most can't wrap their heads around it as a driving force in applied modern socialism.

But yeah, there is a real push in academia that believes the planet is overpopulated and there are some people alive whose production value outweighs their social expenses and an ideal society expedites the burdensome's shuffling off to death.

The only way I know how to explain it is : "get rid of the bad so that the good don't have to care for them and share resources with them."

I call it modern eugenics - a system of sorting out who lives, who dies, who is allowed to generate offspring, etc... to meet some panel's idea of an ideal society.

So your first post was business as usual bullshit unsubstantiated drivel pulled from your ass and having nothing to do with the link.

Part of the plan all along. Was this not beamed in to your living room by the CFR?

Karen Ignagni and the America's Health Insurance Plans are a lobbyist and lobbying group. If they did not involve themselves in the development of the plan they would be morons.

blah blah blah <== stuff already discussed in other threads no need to recopy or relink it as you ignored ti before.

Edit ti add: You cannot get from the link or second post to the bullshit of your first post.
RUN!!!!! The Trilateral Committee is behind you.

Yup, I am full of shit as usual.

Now explain to me how this is "public" and an "option."

Am I wrong that the insurance lobby is going to have their hands all over this and turn it into a forced purchase agreement?

What do you actually expect them to do once the public is forced into flooding their accounts with new premiums?

Are they suddenly going to become angels and philanthopists? No....

They are going to throw the new funds as a base for second hand seller complex investment vehicles and packages otherwise known as, you guessed it, DERIVATIVES.

From Geithner and Summers on down this is the ***Derivatives*** administration with a little bit of eugenics Holdren thrown in.

It is kind of fake taxation. Government forces you the public to finance big insurance companies derivative packages. Gotta love that. How liberal !!!

I actually believe quite the opposite vermicious_knid, in that the health bill isn't intended to support private enterprise of any kind and is designed to give the goverment more control over our lives (that's the most cynical version of my position, but a more naive is that the goverment simply thinks it's trying to help, but is misguided).

This bill gives the government zero extra control because only people who can;t insurance (or can't afford by the governments standard) will have any public option.

You are less wrong than your wing-nut associate.