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Stiles

Stiles

Miami Beach, FL
November 2002

JUL 17, 2009 07:34 PM

Can this guy do anything right?

Sanford harped for years on state spending for travel costs, making a big deal about him going on trips and forcing state employees to fly coach and doubling up two to a room. Nothing wrong with that.

From Politico.com:


Aside from the damage done to his standing as a social conservative, South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford’s recent admission of an extramarital affair may end up tarnishing another of his political credentials — his carefully honed reputation as a tightfisted steward of taxpayer money.

After winning a seat in Congress in 1994, he publicly agonized over accepting a $10,000-taxpayer-funded trip, telling a local paper, “I know politically it's not the right thing ever to go on any trip."

While running for governor in 2002, Sanford zeroed in on travel spending, criticizing Democratic incumbent Gov. Jim Hodges for “lavish spending” on airfare and hotel rooms.

“If I become your governor,” he asserted in a radio ad, “I’ll fix that problem in Columbia.”


Indeed, in his first year as South Carolina’s chief executive, Sanford moved quickly to implement his campaign promise by urging state employees to sleep two to a hotel room while traveling on state business.



So far so good, right? Hah!


The records detail more than $468,000 worth of state-funded travel for Sanford and show that he routinely billed taxpayers for high-end airline seats, racking up more than $44,000 on business- and first-class tickets. He often stayed in pricey hotels that far exceeded the rates he imposed on other state employees.


On one overseas trip, the state appears to have spent more than $12,000 for the GOP governor’s business-class tickets for a September 2007 trade mission to China, while his aides flew in economy class for airfares as low as $1,900.


The records, released to POLITICO and a handful of other media outlets under the state’s Freedom of Information Act, cover commercial airline trips to destinations including Paris, Beijing, Stockholm, Munich and London, as well as state plane flights that carried him, his family, friends and staff around the state and country.



But wait, there's more: Sanford also used the state-owned jet:


State records also show that Sanford, his family and staff have amassed about $380,000 in flight charges on the state plane in his six years in office, including many flights with his family and supporters costing hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars each.



Oh, and one of the trips to see his mistress? $8,687 on the taxpayer dime. (He did eventually pay back about half of that after he was caught).

But on the now-infamous June 2008 South America trade mission, where Sanford slipped away to meet his Argentine mistress, the governor’s airfare consisted of four business-class flights for which the state paid $8,687.

By contrast, the Commerce Department official who accompanied Sanford to Buenos Aires flew coach, at a cost of $1,910 to the taxpayers (the official’s itinerary included one less short leg, since he did not accompany Sanford to Cordoba, Argentina, for a day of dove hunting).



Ka-ching!

So, who wants to take bets on when ol' moneybags resigns?

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 17, 2009 07:39 PM

Stiles said:
But wait, there's more: Sanford also used the state-owned jet:


State records also show that Sanford, his family and staff have amassed about $380,000 in flight charges on the state plane in his six years in office, including many flights with his family and supporters costing hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars each.



Shoulda put it on eBay.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

JUL 17, 2009 07:44 PM

Maybe he can borrow Sarah Palin's basketball speech to say he was being picked on by the gubbmint owned media and he's resigning to spend more time with his tan-line.

BellyJack

BellyJack

I'm lost
May 2005

JUL 17, 2009 09:02 PM

Stiles said:
Can this guy do anything right? <snip>



On the contrary, I ask, "can he do no wrong?".

Governor Sanford's actions to date are those of a remarkable hypocrite - a shining beacon of bold duplicity and unashamed avarice for future generations to follow.

I can't help but believe it takes a special sort of man who can pshaw and "tut-tut" a presidential blow job, then proceed to "slam it in, harder!" with his mistress, and do it with a straight face.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

JUL 17, 2009 10:39 PM

Subrosa said:

Stiles said:
But wait, there's more: Sanford also used the state-owned jet:


State records also show that Sanford, his family and staff have amassed about $380,000 in flight charges on the state plane in his six years in office, including many flights with his family and supporters costing hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars each.



Shoulda put it on eBay.



Well played.

dholokov

dholokov

Toronto, ON
April 2003

JUL 17, 2009 10:47 PM

Cheaper hotels and airfare if you must, but I'd never take a job where the travel was forced to two to a room. And if I wouldn't do it, you can bet there's tons of people who are actually, y'know, talented and qualified who wouldn't do it.

EDITshockedk, I might take a job at a place with a two to a room policy, but I doubt there's anything in that office I would.

Pip

Pip

Framingham, MA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 18, 2009 07:38 AM

His scandals shall not be overshadowed by any celebrity death! Kill them all and Sanford will still make sure his name is on the top of the headlines.


The republicans need to come out publicly and say that hypocrisy is part of their campaign platform. They are different from regular people so regular rules should not apply them.

Mr Rove is you are reading this I want $1,000,000 if you use this idea.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUL 18, 2009 09:38 AM

Sanford's communication chief quit yesterday. I don't blame him.

“The public nature of my job might lead some to speculate about my reasons for leaving, but I want to be crystal clear that my departure is purely about what’s best for me and my family on a personal and financial level. I wish Mark and the rest of my talented and dedicated colleagues the best.“



wink

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JUL 18, 2009 09:58 AM

Palin/Sanford 2012!

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

JUL 18, 2009 11:11 AM

PointBlank said:
Palin/Sanford 2012!



Ha! If only!

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

I'm lost
January 2006

JUL 18, 2009 12:03 PM

phrogg said:

PointBlank said:
Palin/Sanford 2012!



Ha! If only!



Palin/Sanford/Ron Paul 2012?

Darke

Darke

Columbia, MO
June 2005

JUL 18, 2009 02:33 PM

RudieCantFail said:

phrogg said:

PointBlank said:
Palin/Sanford 2012!



Ha! If only!



Palin/Sanford/Ron Paul 2012?



I didn't know you could run a trifeca of douche.

otaku

otaku

USA
January 2004

JUL 19, 2009 08:59 AM

And now he's saying that God will make him better. Needless to say it's being taken with a gallon of salt.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

JUL 19, 2009 09:28 AM

otaku said:
And now he's saying that God will make him better. Needless to say it's being taken with a gallon of salt.



But . . . but . . . God also created those tan-lines!

I'm so confused frown

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUL 19, 2009 09:49 AM

Darke said:

RudieCantFail said:

phrogg said:

PointBlank said:
Palin/Sanford 2012!



Ha! If only!



Palin/Sanford/Ron Paul 2012?



I didn't know you could run a trifeca of douche.



You can in 'Merica!

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

I'm lost
January 2006

JUL 19, 2009 09:51 AM

MrCrisp said:

Darke said:

RudieCantFail said:

phrogg said:

PointBlank said:
Palin/Sanford 2012!



Ha! If only!



Palin/Sanford/Ron Paul 2012?



I didn't know you could run a trifeca of douche.



You can in 'Merica!



You mean Freemerica

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

JUL 19, 2009 10:29 AM

Darke said:

RudieCantFail said:

phrogg said:

PointBlank said:
Palin/Sanford 2012!



Ha! If only!



Palin/Sanford/Ron Paul 2012?



I didn't know you could run a trifeca of douche.


Well, someone has to step up when Palin quits halfway through the campaign.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUL 19, 2009 04:33 PM

Ugh.

Embattled South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford tried a new tack Sunday to win forgiveness after admitting to an affair and being incommunicado while he left the state for several days.

A self-described "more contrite" Sanford wrote an op-ed, published in newspapers around South Carolina, vowing to "begin the journey of trying to get things more right with you and others."



Here's a better tactic: resign.

Jesus.

gfvella

gfvella

Australia
November 2004

JUL 20, 2009 01:31 AM

MrCrisp said:
Here's a better tactic: resign.

Jesus.



Come now: Jesus is not a good example. Did Jesus quit after getting caught porking Mary M? Of course not; such persecution merely reinforces his moral and ethical righteousness, because otherwise for the forces of Temple Pharisees would not be trying so hard to tear him down.

Go forward Governor Sanford! Forward to the GOP primaries in 2012! Wash away your sins by amusing the living hell out of us as you crash and burn in the public gaze.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

JUL 20, 2009 12:39 PM

Financial shenanigans aside, I'm still amazed that we live in an age where people can fly through the fucking sky to Argentina but can't manage an understanding of human relationships and sexuality more complex than husband + wife = forever.

If we as a culture could get our heads around the idea that sex isn't weird, we wouldn't be dealing with this or any other instance of politicians behaving like actual human beings with normal sexual needs. Sanford would have his wife and his family at home and his hot broad down south and no one would give a shit.

I mean, am I reading that wrong, or did he not actually misuse any government money when he visited his mistress? He went on a trade trip, hung out with her while he was down there, then came home as scheduled. The expensive tickets he got were in line with his usual policy of being a moron, and weren't used for anything outside his normal business commitments.

It seems to me that him fucking around on the side is wholly irrelevant to this story, and the big deal being made of it is -- just like every other political sex scandal -- a mere symptom of our fucked up culture forcing people to lie about things we still have our collective panties in a bunch over.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUL 20, 2009 12:49 PM

d20 said:

It seems to me that him fucking around on the side is wholly irrelevant to this story, and the big deal being made of it is -- just like every other political sex scandal -- a mere symptom of our fucked up culture forcing people to lie about things we still have our collective panties in a bunch over.



I think it's a big deal because it's politicians like Sanford, who frequently espouse family values and traditional marital standards, that become embroiled in these extra-marital sex scandals. Not to mention that they frequently blame homosexuals for ruining marriage in America.

As with the hypocritical spending, how much can you really trust a man who frequently undermines his own moral standards, standards that he flaunts ad nauseam?

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

JUL 20, 2009 02:01 PM

MrCrisp said:

d20 said:

It seems to me that him fucking around on the side is wholly irrelevant to this story, and the big deal being made of it is -- just like every other political sex scandal -- a mere symptom of our fucked up culture forcing people to lie about things we still have our collective panties in a bunch over.



I think it's a big deal because it's politicians like Sanford, who frequently espouse family values and traditional marital standards, that become embroiled in these extra-marital sex scandals. Not to mention that they frequently blame homosexuals for ruining marriage in America.

As with the hypocritical spending, how much can you really trust a man who frequently undermines his own moral standards, standards that he flaunts ad nauseam?



To me it's pretty much the same as pop stars talking about still being virgins: Certain jobs in the public eye currently require you to not be human, which is insane.

The family values / anti-gay / etc stances that politicians constantly have to push are so obviously wrongheaded that even the people pushing them won't follow them, but they're not optional. There is currently no way to have Sanford's job and not say things that are patently false.

I guess my argument here is that while he is certainly an idiot, there's a part of this story where the idiocy is ours as a society, not his.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUL 20, 2009 03:02 PM

d20 said:

MrCrisp said:

d20 said:

It seems to me that him fucking around on the side is wholly irrelevant to this story, and the big deal being made of it is -- just like every other political sex scandal -- a mere symptom of our fucked up culture forcing people to lie about things we still have our collective panties in a bunch over.



I think it's a big deal because it's politicians like Sanford, who frequently espouse family values and traditional marital standards, that become embroiled in these extra-marital sex scandals. Not to mention that they frequently blame homosexuals for ruining marriage in America.

As with the hypocritical spending, how much can you really trust a man who frequently undermines his own moral standards, standards that he flaunts ad nauseam?



To me it's pretty much the same as pop stars talking about still being virgins: Certain jobs in the public eye currently require you to not be human, which is insane.

The family values / anti-gay / etc stances that politicians constantly have to push are so obviously wrongheaded that even the people pushing them won't follow them, but they're not optional. There is currently no way to have Sanford's job and not say things that are patently false.

I guess my argument here is that while he is certainly an idiot, there's a part of this story where the idiocy is ours as a society, not his.



Hopefully you're not implying that politicians and pop stars have the same amount of responsibility to the public (pop stars don't even have a constituency!). I'm not saying anyone is perfect, or that to err is certainly not human. I'm just saying that when an elected official has shown himself to be a habitual hypocrite, that disingenuous behavior is not an ideal attribute, especially not when that official is entrusted with important decisions and critical state-level operations. There is a way to have Sanford's job and not say things that are patently false. Why is it that honesty is something we don't expect from people? What, because it's too hard? Because that's how I'm understanding your argument.

I think the most important issue that you're ignoring is that he left the state for a week without properly notifying his staff, nor designating an interim Governor. Abandoning his duties and continuing on this trail of self-pity and insincerity is not helping matters at all. It's not like we're expending any energy asking him to resign, but he's certainly wasting a lot of time and energy foolishly trying to put this ordeal behind him.

It's bullshit. This isn't society's fault. It's his own god damned fault.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JUL 20, 2009 04:43 PM

Actually, I want to know how Andrew WK feels about infidelity and it's moral implications.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JUL 20, 2009 04:57 PM

what you guys don't understand is that Obama made Sanford have sex with that woman. when will all of you commu-liberal hippie morans wrap your heads around that fact!?

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