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Allister

Allister

Chico, CA
September 2003

DEC 05, 2003 09:43 PM

http://www.nbc10.com/news/2682381/detail.html

A nice change from the insanity plea that everyone feels compelled to throw at some point.

What a bunch of bollocks. He should have his sick ass thrown in the slam.

TheInsomniac

TheInsomniac

Washington, DC
October 2003

DEC 05, 2003 09:45 PM

Just going out on a limb, but what if he's telling the truth?

tarbaby

tarbaby

I'm lost
April 2003

DEC 05, 2003 09:56 PM

that's what i was thinking. =/

Allister

Allister

Chico, CA
September 2003

DEC 05, 2003 10:04 PM

SaintAshlar said:
Just going out on a limb, but what if he's telling the truth?



Does that excuse his actions in any way?

And it sounds kinda fishy, you know.......am I the only one in thinking that he played the gay card to cover his ass?

Even if he *were* homosexual, he ought to do the same time.



clara

clara

MODERATOR

Baltimore, MD

DEC 05, 2003 10:08 PM

Allister said:
Even if he *were* homosexual, he ought to do the same time.



The article implies that there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict him. In other words, they don't think he did it, partly because he's gay and gay people aren't sexually interested in the opposite sex. See the difference?

tarbaby

tarbaby

I'm lost
April 2003

DEC 05, 2003 10:13 PM

Allister said:

SaintAshlar said:
Just going out on a limb, but what if he's telling the truth?



Does that excuse his actions in any way?







huh? if he's telling the truth that he is gay and didn't do it then what actions are you talking about?

Allister

Allister

Chico, CA
September 2003

DEC 05, 2003 10:13 PM

Clara said:

Allister said:
Even if he *were* homosexual, he ought to do the same time.



The article implies that there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict him. In other words, they don't think he did it, partly because he's gay and gay people aren't sexually interested in the opposite sex. See the difference?




That wasn't what the point I was trying to make. What I was saying was that he managed to find a way to inveigle himself out of this mess by saying he was gay; the fact that the jury did not convict means that they bought his story, not that he was innocent of said crime.

That's my take, anyway. Flame away.

Dante0

Dante0

Sandusky, OH
September 2003

DEC 05, 2003 10:21 PM

I wonder if the "Gay" plea would work for traffic violations? tongue

plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

DEC 05, 2003 10:51 PM

Allister said:
Does that excuse his actions in any way?

And it sounds kinda fishy, you know.......am I the only one in thinking that he played the gay card to cover his ass?

Even if he *were* homosexual, he ought to do the same time.



What actions? What evidence is there that he did anything wrong? The cops do make mistakes every now and again.

FrozenFoodGod

FrozenFoodGod

Canada
OLD SKOOL

DEC 05, 2003 11:30 PM

...if there was evidence that he did not do it there would be no need for the "gay" defense. By this rational I guess all those priests could claim that they were straight so touching those alter boys could not have happened.....what bullshit.

Besides, it is common knowledge that rapists and molesters are acting more on a sense of power than sexual gratification.

clara

clara

MODERATOR

Baltimore, MD

DEC 05, 2003 11:53 PM

That's a valid point, but I think if there were compelling evidence that he was guilty he'd have gone to jail. Since it seems that there wasn't I doubt he'd have been convicted even if he hadn't claimed to be gay.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

DEC 06, 2003 12:40 AM

Allister said:

Clara said:
Allister said:
Even if he *were* homosexual, he ought to do the same time.



The article implies that there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict him. In other words, they don't think he did it, partly because he's gay and gay people aren't sexually interested in the opposite sex. See the difference?




That wasn't what the point I was trying to make.



Apparently the point you were trying to make is that your judgement is better than that of 12 jurors and a judge based near as I can tell on the inflamatory nature of the charges and a whopping two paragraphs from a TV stations website.

Way to from a rational objective opinion there, chief.

15 seconds on Google would have told you that the fishy part of this story had nothing whatsoever to do with the accused and everything to do with the fact that the "victims" waited 21/2 years to come forward, there was no forensic eveidnce, their stories were inconsistant, there was no supporting evidence whatsoever, their police statements were not recorded, evidence of their testimony was lost, one of the girls had an unrequited crush on the guy,even after the first girl told her parents they contacted a civil attorney about a suit three days before they bother to call the cops, and shock of shocks, he appears to actually be gay.

For your reading list.

Velvetone_Fusion

Velvetone_Fusion

Owings Mills, MD
November 2003

DEC 06, 2003 12:53 AM

"Glazer smiled with relief after the verdict and said outside the courtroom that he "loved" his lawyer and the jury"

Did this strike anyone else as a very "Fox News" way of putting it.?

tarbaby

tarbaby

I'm lost
April 2003

DEC 06, 2003 01:10 AM

reprobate said:
For your reading list.



heh. reprobate is brilliant..... well, sometimes. =]

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

DEC 06, 2003 01:18 AM

Awwwww. I thought it was just that he said he was gay. There goes my crimewave.

Pauillac

Pauillac

Canada
April 2003

DEC 06, 2003 06:24 AM

Whoa! Quite the rush to judgement on this guy, given that he was ACQUITTED by a jury. Without having sat through the trial, I'd be reluctant to annoint myself judge, jury, ( or executioner ).

Having said that, I think that teachers are in a very vulnerable position for these types of accusations. A lawyer friend ( who represents teachers on these types of charges) has suggested that the police are more or less compelled to file charges when a complaint is made. His take on the actual culpability of those charged:

45% are completely innocent. Young girls can be vindictive at times and its an easy charge to make ( see: Salem Witch trials).

45% are middle aged schmucks who respond inappropriately to flirting, advances, or crushes. Essentially, they succumb to temptation when they ought to know better. Usually one time offenders who always get caught.

10% are sexual predators plain and simple.

Politrix

Politrix

Jacksonville, FL
October 2002

DEC 06, 2003 09:16 AM

FrozenFoodGod said:
...if there was evidence that he did not do it there would be no need for the "gay" defense. By this rational I guess all those priests could claim that they were straight so touching those alter boys could not have happened.....what bullshit.

Besides, it is common knowledge that rapists and molesters are acting more on a sense of power than sexual gratification.



For the most part it's a lot harder to prove a negative than to prove a postitive. Perhaps thats why we have "innocent until PROVEN guilty" as a central tenet of our judicial system. I always find it interesting when folks hear of a "not guilty" decision and immediately assume that an injustice has occurred. I also notice that this tends to be more prevalent (althought by no means exclusive) in cases involving sexual violence by men against women or children. I'm still trying to process what that might mean... maybe someone could help me out with that one... whether rapists and molesters operate more out of this motivation or another is really immaterial to this discussion.

He did it or he didn't do it. A jury heard two (inevitably unequal) parties argue the case adversarially, and at the end of the day, came back with a "not guilty" verdict. Maybe they got it right, maybe they got it wrong... but to assume they were wrong based on this article hardly seems fair.

just my two cents.

Allister

Allister

Chico, CA
September 2003

DEC 06, 2003 09:25 AM

reprobate said:

Allister said:

Clara said:
Allister said:
Even if he *were* homosexual, he ought to do the same time.



The article implies that there wasn't sufficient evidence to convict him. In other words, they don't think he did it, partly because he's gay and gay people aren't sexually interested in the opposite sex. See the difference?




That wasn't what the point I was trying to make.



Apparently the point you were trying to make is that your judgement is better than that of 12 jurors and a judge based near as I can tell on the inflamatory nature of the charges and a whopping two paragraphs from a TV stations website.

Way to from a rational objective opinion there, chief.

15 seconds on Google would have told you that the fishy part of this story had nothing whatsoever to do with the accused and everything to do with the fact that the "victims" waited 21/2 years to come forward, there was no forensic eveidnce, their stories were inconsistant, there was no supporting evidence whatsoever, their police statements were not recorded, evidence of their testimony was lost, one of the girls had an unrequited crush on the guy,even after the first girl told her parents they contacted a civil attorney about a suit three days before they bother to call the cops, and shock of shocks, he appears to actually be gay.

For your reading list.



Point taken well. My mistake : I should have done my research on this one. Apologies to Clara, Ava, and reprobate; and to myself, for being an ass.

Thanks for the 'reading list', reprobate. tongue

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

DEC 06, 2003 11:49 AM

Pauillac said:
Whoa! Quite the rush to judgement on this guy, given that he was ACQUITTED by a jury. Without having sat through the trial, I'd be reluctant to annoint myself judge, jury, ( or executioner ).

Having said that, I think that teachers are in a very vulnerable position for these types of accusations. A lawyer friend ( who represents teachers on these types of charges) has suggested that the police are more or less compelled to file charges when a complaint is made. His take on the actual culpability of those charged:

45% are completely innocent. Young girls can be vindictive at times and its an easy charge to make ( see: Salem Witch trials).

45% are middle aged schmucks who respond inappropriately to flirting, advances, or crushes. Essentially, they succumb to temptation when they ought to know better. Usually one time offenders who always get caught.

10% are sexual predators plain and simple.




Sounds about right IME.