Is this relevant?

http://www.guerrillanews.com/corporate_crime/doc3469.html

Does this affect your opinion of the first family one way or another?
Why or why not?
Does the apple fall far from the tree?
Does it have any relevance to current events?

Discuss

*ponders the alternatives ....shout Godwin? ... post kittie pics? .... hmm, what to do, what to do?*

I never liked the first family - but I don't think it's right to blame someone for what their grandparents did. Let's not forget how the Kennedy clan got started - smuggling booze across the canadian border during prohibition.

I wholeheartedly believe that W. has done enough to damn himself, we don't need to bring his relatives into it.

no it doesn't affect my views on Bush Jr. at all. I already knew I didn't like him, or support a lot of his policys.

"And what my father did, that don't mean shit, cause I'm not him"

It is a fundamental principle of American democracy that the son does not bear the guilt of the father, and especially not of the grandfather. All of this happened more than a decade before the Shrub was born. He cannot be held responsible for it. His own actions, on the other hand...

i say do both.
this story did make me chuckle though-the internet is a funny place. anyone can post just about any old thing. i bet i could go through and find a story about mother theresa's ties to the nazis if i tried....

ava said
this story did make me chuckle though-the internet is a funny place. anyone can post just about any old thing. i bet i could go through and find a story about mother theresa's ties to the nazis if i tried....



Yes but a link to Mother Theresa and the Nazis wouldn't be true. This is supposedly a real link, so why is it so casually and condescendingly dismissed?

I find it fascinating that people on these boards were beside themselves that Mein Kampf was supposedly a Palestinian best seller, yet will totally disregard this story.

Simply fascinating.

[Edited on Dec 01, 2003 by SpaceInvader]

You'd come close.

It's dismissed because it's irrelevant. Shrub is responsible for his own sins, not those of his grandfather.

Let me see if I can explain this to you -- one is a possible link between Shrub's grandfather and the Nazis; the other is direct evidence of current crude and viscous anti-Semitic feeling in the Palestinian community. Please try to grasp this simple distinction.


[Edited on Dec 01, 2003 by plonk]

Speaking personally, I have neither respect nor affection of any sort for Bush. I think he's a terrible president. But I'm Australian, so he's not my president, except in that vague leader-of-the-free-world kind of way.

But to comment sensibly on this, I'd need to read it at length and find some way to assess its credibility. I already think Dubya has plenty to be judged on in the here and now.

plonk said
Let me see if I can explain this to you -- one is a possible link between Shrub's grandfather and the Nazis; the other is direct evidence of current crude and viscous anti-Semitic feeling in the Palestinian community. Please try to grasp this simple distinction.

Hey dude, why don't you relax? I'm playing devils advocate and asking questions. Just trying to facilitate a discussion, not make you feel clever because you can insult people. It's this kind of condescending tone that I was challenging not the opinion.
I don't personally think W or H.W need to answer for Prescotts choices,

You know, one thing that annoys me about boards in general is the lack of non-textual cues to meaning. I got the impression that you were suggesting that the alleged Nazi ties of Shrub's grandfather were at least as important as the current state of Palestinian society. I find that suggestion both ludicrous and offensive. In any case, the Shrub has more than enough of his own sins to answer for without dealing with the guilt of his grandfather's sins.I apologize for being a bit hot headed -- it must be an after affects of spending my day as a speaker to regulators.

Hey plonk, no problem. Sorry you misunderstood me. I'm just asking questions to better understand things and I prefer a serious discussion to what I interpret as snide comments.
Check out my other post about the unoffical peace plan for Israel and Palestine and tell me what you think about it.

Shrub isn't responsible for anything his ancestors did. Disagree with him as you may, but he's responsible only for himself. I don't see how his grandparents have any relevance to any of his actions.