Time for some waterboarding, I think

According to the wonderful live stream from Indian Broadcasting Corporation, nine of the Mumbai terrorist scum have assumed room temperature, three are still inside Chabad House but one has been captured.

Now, this was a very sensitive issue earlier in the year, but personally speaking I'd do anything to that cunt that will get him to talk.

It's been argued that advocating torture puts one in the same animalistic category as the terrorist. Fuck that shit. It wasn't me throwing grenades into cafes and shooting innocent civilians in hotels. Sure - I don't feel a shred of compassion or humanity for human sewerage like them. I don't feel much compassion for hornets either. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, then I question your loyalties.

I only feel for his victims. I feel for future victims. And if something he'll blurt out to save his own dick will also save a bunch of innocent people, then fine. Compassion works in funny ways.

A very compelling argument was made that extreme torture methods don't work. That the torturee will just say whatever is needed to get the pain to stop. I believe that. Any torture that the Indians decide to use on the fucker will have to be carefully designed in order to break him. Harsh interrogation, sleep deprivation, loud music, water boarding - none involve extreme pain, as such. Try them all. The cunt must know something.

On a wider level, these terrorist acts surely are proof that we need a wider initiative against the extremist ends of "the religion of peace". Not just the bastards in Peshawar who organise and train, but also the clerics and madrassas around the world that legitimise. Close them down and lock them up. Ostracise any government that doesn't comply.

Great strides have already been made. It's time to move up a gear. Time to move from dealing with the effect, to wiping out the cause.

Is it feeding time already?

go for it

Aside from the drama and continuous coverage, what I like about the IBN live stream is that they aren't afraid of using the word "terrorist" to described those involved in acts of terrorism.

Unlike too many Western networks, they aren't worried about hurting the feelings of terrorism supporters.

Whenever I hear terrorists protected by euphemisms like "militants", "gunmen" or "radicals", I wonder when political correctness will be used to soften other hideous crimes. Will the media soon get all queasy about branding sex offenders "paedophiles"? Will they insist on calling them "the differently sexualised"?

Thank you for making coffee shoot out my nose!

As far as torturing anyone in this case to possibly get information out of them, I really couldn't care less what happens to people as such,who as far as I am concerned,give up their own human rights when they take away those of others through terrorist acts.

However torture may be for naught. Isn't it part of Operational Security 101 that information is compartmentalized?

One of the reasons that torture DOESN'T work. The poor bastard who's paying the piper probably doesn't know why he did what he did anyways.

So, which way is this going to go, Uptight?

a: You get someone on here who has previously railed against torture to say "it's ok for the Indians to do it" whereupon you leap to "If it's ok for them, why isn't it ok for the U.S.?"

b: You continue to make anti-Muslim statements (by putting religion of peace in quotation marks, you are suggesting that Islam as a whole is not a religion of peace), but when you're called on it you will respond with "I can't be anti-Muslim, my girlfriend/grocer/landlord/postman/best friend/boss/manicurist is Muslim, and I like them!"

c: You pull attention away from the attacks (this is in no way an informational thread, and you know it) to restart the same old debate that has been done to death on whether torture gets answers or not.

Or are you hoping for the trifecta?

Tread lightly and re-read the rules if you must.

The bodies of five hostages were found on Friday after Indian security forces attacked gunmen at a Jewish religious center in Mumbai, an Israeli diplomat told Israeli television by telephone from the scene.

"The incident has not ended," Haim Choshen told Channel 2. "Five bodies of hostages have been found inside the Chabad House." Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka had been held in the house.

Commandos have been operating at the Chabad house since early Friday morning and took over the building, killing all the terrorists on site. They also found five bodies which appeared to be of hostages, the country's National Security Guards chief said.

A spokesman for Zaka stated that staff members sent to Mumbai to help at the siege believed that the hostages in the Chabad house had died.

"Apparently the hostages did not remain alive," the Zaka service said in a brief statement quoting its staff in Mumbai. It did not identify the hostages nor say how many may have died.

....
Israel's ambassador to India said he believed nine Israeli nationals were still being held hostage by gunmen at the place.

"We are estimating, and it's pretty much an educated guess, somewhere around six, maybe a little bit more, but I don't have complete information on that," Mark Sofer told Times Now television.

"A couple of days ago an Indian caregiver managed to escape with a tiny baby belonging to the rabbi in Chabad House, but the rabbi and his wife are still inside."

Have some fucking class, people, and stop fighting each other for ten goddamn seconds.

Right this moment, I'm thinking "B"

I seriously doubt the previously anti-torture panty-waists would ever change their stance, however many people would, could or might even possibly be saved.

As for the ROP - my Muslim ex-girlfriend, trichologist, chauffeur and team of fluffers are only calm, rational decent people in spite of Islam, not because of it.

All religion stinks, it just a matter of how deeply you practice it. Islam especially so, since its founder and role model was a violent bandit/warlord who was also "differently sexualised" (see above) .

I thought the Left had gone cold on Al Qaeda after Zawahiri called Obama a nasty name.

Oh, I dont know. I am pretty sure they could get him to talk about where he has been training for the last few months, so that they, then, could go grab the next bunch of financially distraught idiots (like that group that they found that were unaware of what is, and isnt left of the human body after a laden with fuel 400mph+ jetliner crash into a building and the ensuing 1200 degree farenheit fire) before they have a chance to go exterminate another group of people who's only crime was being from the wrong place and being in another wrong place at the wrong time.

It is becoming more apparent to those watching the INTERNATIONAL war on terror, that the troops should come home; that now that the TERRORISTS seriously want a Holy War, that the gloves are off and a low level nuke should be dropped on a relatively uninhabited part of either Kenya, Somalia or Northern Pakistan, with a message that after every Taliban attack, there would be a Pro-Taliban loss of life ranging from 100,000 to 2,000,000 via WMD's.

"May God have mercy on their souls, for I will not" -George S. Patton

I wonder what Obama's gonna do with the Guantanamo detainees, once he learns that their respective countries of origin dont want them back and wont allow them to return to their countries of origin?

Maybe we could move them to San Francisco? The locals there seem to be a fair and enlightened bunch.

Jeez - already the media are blaming this on a failure of intelligence. What sort of self-hatred causes journalists to avoid blaming the terrorists for terrorism?

They always have to explore a "failure of intelligence", a "failure to communicate" or "a failure of foreign policy".

They never even contemplate a "failure of religion".

Perhaps it's just too damn obvious that the only notable reasons for Islamist terrorism are the Islamist death cults that promote terrorism. Perhaps highlighting this obvious truth, makes the solutions too obvious.

Or maybe journalists can never break free from their obsessive, compulsive desire to fine self-blame in everything except success.

Wow, he did just put those one right after another didn't he? I bet he doesn't even see the contradiction.

Indeed, he did; not surprisingly setting new heights of contradiction.

I am in Thailand this week and the news here suggests that the attacks have little to do with religion and are attributed to Pakistani insurgents continuing to make their point about border disputes (Kashmir).

Not enough information for me to make a judgment since the kaleidescope of targets seems incongruous; India + US and British passport holders + rampant slaying of Indians + Chabad House + apparently highly trained people + etc.

I think it's an attempt to simplify a complex and dynamic issue for processing in the minds of post-9/11 ideologues: the rules can be spread across the entire spectrum of world dynamics uniformly.

Here's why the "panty-waist" opinion doesn't matter:

What you characterize in that fashion is actually a lawful response, based on the Constitution, about how we (not you, and not the Indian government) are going to treat people based on the law that we agree upon with ourselves.

Get it?

All the things you could have said about this horrific tragedy, and you chose to go with "yay torture!"

You're a real class act, UpTight.

Me I think that it is not really any of the business of the USA or UK, Indian laws were broken, Indian laws apply.

What about the US, UK, Israeli (et al) citizens who were killed?

great! what long-term economic and social policies do you suggest we look at adopting first? personally, i think programs that hugely reduce the amount of oil intake in the first world would be the best starting point, despite the fact that doing so will cause a global economic crash that will take decades to recover from. but perhaps you think we should take a more realistic look at our relationship with Israel?

or were you actually just spouting more "shoot all the terrarists" claptrap?

I know. New lows are achieved.

More importantly it calls for him to find some basic fucking humanity.

I for one would like to thank uptight

for reminding us of the original meaning of american thanksgiving.