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SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 20, 2008 08:09 PM

Sorry if this has been posted here already, but I can't find anything in my searches.

Recently, a five year old thread about rape was bumped, so I figured I would point out a slightly dated, but still very relevant article on rape in the Congo.

Article.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 20, 2008 08:27 PM

The situation is unbelievably horrific.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

NOV 20, 2008 09:37 PM

I hope some more people read this.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
And that the thread doesn't somehow get petepollied.

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SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 20, 2008 09:40 PM

I had a really hard time reading the article. The fact that children are raping each other is the worst part of it, IMO, because they're internalizing this as normal, acceptable behavior.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

NOV 20, 2008 09:42 PM

I know there has to be a way to help . . . but I have no idea how frown

How do you fight something like this?

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SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 20, 2008 09:44 PM

Coyotemike said:
I know there has to be a way to help . . . but I have no idea how frown

How do you fight something like this?



Here's a start.

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Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 20, 2008 09:47 PM

OK, how about a thread rule? If anyone feeds the troll, I will personally hunt you down. This topic is way too important to be derailed so people can point out a troll's endless logical flaws. There are already 15+ derailed threads that are serving that purpose.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

NOV 20, 2008 09:52 PM

Otoki said:

Coyotemike said:
I know there has to be a way to help . . . but I have no idea how frown

How do you fight something like this?



Here's a start.



That is a good start. I wonder if they got that paypal account going yet.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

NOV 20, 2008 11:45 PM

Congo's one of the countries with the child witch problem as well. That entire country is just fucked. We can throw money at it in bit and pieces but I suspect that we won't see any real progress there until it becomes a world priority - which may very well never happen. Still, that shouldn't stop us from trying.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

NOV 21, 2008 12:06 AM

The article reminded me of what's been going on in Darfur as well. The systematic brutalizing of women, young and old seems to be the same type of tactic utilized by the Junjaweed of Sudan. Its so sad that once they've been raped, they are shunned by their husbands and families, the stigma of their violation continuing to haunt them the rest of their lives. This is the real face of terrorism, if we're supposedly at "war" with terror, then these conflicts are where we should be focused. It must be such a challenge to help these women and children begin put their lives back together again, but I'm glad someone like Eve Esler is out there advocating intervention and assistance to do so.

I remember hearing about a doctor on NPR who was busy constantly treating and operating on women who've suffered from the severe physical injuries of inflicted upon them by their rapists. It was so saddening and gut-wrenching to listen but I forced myself to bear witness to the reality and acknowledge their suffering to the conclusion of the program. I pray the the world finally wakes up and stops pretending that these atrocities don't exist and moves to help prevent them from ever happening again...

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SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 21, 2008 09:11 AM

^^Agreed. While the link I posted is only a small start, if it helps rape survivors it's worth my money.

I really wish the world's attention and energy can be focused on human rights violations. I also wish these women and children could find a true haven where they don't have to worry about getting raped again.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

NOV 22, 2008 06:46 PM

Bump.

Otoki

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SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 23, 2008 11:20 AM

Click

NYTimes

This makes me wish I had HBO.

unfiltrator

unfiltrator

San Francisco, CA
April 2004

NOV 29, 2008 04:42 PM

It may not be terribly liberal of me but I can imagine a foreign policy where civilized nations police War Crimes and Crime against Humanity. The trend of violence against civilians has gone on too long and too far. As of 2001 this is a "Crime against Humanity". Link

I think we have the goodwill now thanks to Obama.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

NOV 30, 2008 03:39 PM

unfiltrator said:
It may not be terribly liberal of me but I can imagine a foreign policy where civilized nations police War Crimes and Crime against Humanity. The trend of violence against civilians has gone on too long and too far. As of 2001 this is a "Crime against Humanity". Link

I think we have the goodwill now thanks to Obama.



You would need a written definition of "civilised". And a way to remove nations from that list, if they transgressed.

And you'd also have to find a way of including the uncivilised anyway. Because there aren't many civilised nations at all. If any.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

DEC 01, 2008 12:43 AM

SockPuppet said:

unfiltrator said:
It may not be terribly liberal of me but I can imagine a foreign policy where civilized nations police War Crimes and Crime against Humanity. The trend of violence against civilians has gone on too long and too far. As of 2001 this is a "Crime against Humanity". Link

I think we have the goodwill now thanks to Obama.



You would need a written definition of "civilized". And a way to remove nations from that list, if they transgressed.

And you'd also have to find a way of including the uncivilized anyway. Because there aren't many civilized nations at all. If any.

Ah! I see you've been schooled in the precepts of relativism. You make an excellent point, but I think there are some tools of leverage that exist (the U.N. for instance). However, that doesn't mean every country recognizes or cares about the U.N. as an authority and then we're back to square one.

Surely though, it can be agreed upon that instances of systematic rape and torture are a form of terror and that any political group that resorts to such tactics is then by definition a terrorist group? Not that everything needs to be defined by the word "terror" here, its just that it has become such a universally recognized term and, therefore, it ought to be prevented and combated as such (I'm of the opinion that all violent forms of repression and human rights violations ought to be added to this category).

almalthia

almalthia

I'm lost
August 2005

DEC 01, 2008 08:14 AM

Otoki said:

Coyotemike said:
I know there has to be a way to help . . . but I have no idea how frown

How do you fight something like this?



Here's a start.



Women for Women

Other than signing petitions and writing your representatives you can actively help one women survivor here. This has a multiplying effect, since the first thing these women do is feed, cloth, and send their children and any orphans they are taking care of to school. This organization also organizes charity runs, and other fund raising events.

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SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

DEC 01, 2008 08:32 AM

almalthia said:

Otoki said:

Coyotemike said:
I know there has to be a way to help . . . but I have no idea how frown

How do you fight something like this?



Here's a start.



Women for Women

Other than signing petitions and writing your representatives you can actively help one women survivor here. This has a multiplying effect, since the first thing these women do is feed, cloth, and send their children and any orphans they are taking care of to school. This organization also organizes charity runs, and other fund raising events.


Nice link. Thanks.

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

AUG 05, 2009 09:04 PM

Bumped and cross-posted from the Feminist Group.
New York Times story is related. I have posted selected portions of the article and only altered the order of the paragraphs put the last three to the end.

For years, the thickly forested hills and clear, deep lakes of eastern Congo have been a reservoir of atrocities. Now, it seems, there is another growing problem: men raping men.

Aid workers struggle to explain the sudden spike in male rape cases. The best answer, they say, is that the sexual violence against men is yet another way for armed groups to humiliate and demoralize Congolese communities into submission.

The United Nations already considers eastern Congo the rape capital of the world

The male rape cases are still just a fraction of those against women. But for the men involved, aid workers say, it is even harder to bounce back.

“I’m laughed at,” Mr. Mukuli said. “The people in my village say: ‘You’re no longer a man. Those men in the bush made you their wife.’ ”

Aid workers here say the humiliation is often so severe that male rape victims come forward only if they have urgent health problems, like stomach swelling or continuous bleeding. Sometimes even that is not enough. Ms. Van Woudenberg said that two men whose penises were cinched with rope died a few days later because they were too embarrassed to seek help. Castrations also seem to be increasing, with more butchered men showing up at major hospitals.

Mr. Mukuli is now the lone man in the rape ward at Panzi hospital, which is filled with hundreds of women recovering from rape-related injuries. Many knit clothes and weave baskets to make a little money while their bodies heal.

But Mr. Mukuli is left out.

“I don’t know how to make baskets,” he said. So he spends his days sitting on a bench, by himself.


Gringo

Gringo

Spokane, WA
May 2006

AUG 05, 2009 09:45 PM

And then there's

One mother said a United Nations peacekeeper raped her 12-year-old boy. A United Nations spokesman said that he had not heard that specific case but that there were indeed a number of new sexual abuse allegations against peacekeepers in Congo and that a team was sent in late July to investigate.


I really hope the U.N. addresses this quickly...and can also figure out what to do with the violence in that area.

Otoki

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SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

AUG 05, 2009 09:48 PM

Gringo said:
And then there's

One mother said a United Nations peacekeeper raped her 12-year-old boy. A United Nations spokesman said that he had not heard that specific case but that there were indeed a number of new sexual abuse allegations against peacekeepers in Congo and that a team was sent in late July to investigate.


I really hope the U.N. addresses this quickly...and can also figure out what to do with the violence in that area.



Holy hell. puke