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petepolly

petepolly

Antarctica
August 2008

NOV 15, 2008 12:36 AM

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This week, it became clear that the new administration's anti-gun agenda even infects the process of staffing the administration. A widely disseminated questionnaire for those applying for administration jobs asks:

(59) Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."

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Besides being unnecessary, the question misleads applicants about existing firearm laws. The question demands that applicants provide "complete ownership and registration information" about all firearms owned. But only five states have statewide gun registration; of these, and only Hawaii requires registration of all types of firearms. And Federal law specifically forbids creation of a federal registration system (and we intend to keep it that way).

X_Racer_X

X_Racer_X

Philadelphia, PA
July 2008

NOV 15, 2008 12:44 AM

As if I am even surprised about this. Are you? wink

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

NOV 15, 2008 12:51 AM

it's nice seeing the NRA scared.

Ridley

Ridley

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 15, 2008 12:53 AM

Wait, Obama want to know if people working with him are going to have guns? Why ever would he want to know that? GASP! You mean he wants to make sure all those guns are accounted for as well? AMAZING! I couldn't think of any good reasons why they would not want to know if people working with or near him have guns!

Bill_the_Cat

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON
May 2005

NOV 15, 2008 12:55 AM

Obviously anyone who may have access to a gun, particularly an unregistered or unlicensed one, poses a security risk. Even more so if the weapon may have been used at some point.
Equally obvious is that "complete ownership and registration information" does not include registration information from a state where there is no registry. Inclusion of data that cannot possibly exist is not required for the information to be complete.

Now that I've pointed out the obvious feel free to derail your own thread in whatever way you see fit.

Elichrusos

Elichrusos

I'm lost
October 2007

NOV 15, 2008 12:56 AM

(59) Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage."



OBAMA STAFFER ACCIDENTALLY SHOOTS WIFE IN THE LEG!!!!
FOX NEWS ASKS: WAS IT REALLY AN ACCIDENT?


The question demands that applicants provide "complete ownership and registration information" about all firearms owned. But only five states have statewide gun registration.



In which case the complete registration information would be "It is not registered, in accordance with local statewide registration requirements."

In related news, the NRA are a charming pack of demagogues.

lil_tuffy

lil_tuffy

MODERATOR

San Francisco, CA

NOV 15, 2008 12:59 AM

Exception to the rule: Joe Biden.

petepolly

petepolly

Antarctica
August 2008

NOV 15, 2008 01:06 AM

Ridley said:
Wait, Obama want to know if people working with him are going to have guns? Why ever would he want to know that? GASP! You mean he wants to make sure all those guns are accounted for as well? AMAZING! I couldn't think of any good reasons why they would not want to know if people working with or near him have guns!



Most US states do not have gun registration. Federal gun registration does not exist.

All BS aside, how many guns a person owns is none of his employers business.

petepolly

petepolly

Antarctica
August 2008

NOV 15, 2008 01:07 AM

X_Racer_X said:
As if I am even surprised about this. Are you? wink



Hell no.

Was expecting this and more.

Ridley

Ridley

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

NOV 15, 2008 01:09 AM

I would certainly want to know if I was in a high position to get assassinated. But you know whateves...

It certainly doesn't say they aren't allowed to apply, or that they will be denied. And the wording doesn't even seem to say that between the lines. Unless of course, you are paranoid.

Maxx

maxx

Los Angeles, CA
July 2002

NOV 15, 2008 01:14 AM

petepolly said:
All BS aside, how many guns a person owns is none of his employers business.


really? shouldn't an employer be free to set any criteria he or she pleases?
someone is free to seek employment elsewhere.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

NOV 15, 2008 01:27 AM

petepolly said:

Ridley said:
Wait, Obama want to know if people working with him are going to have guns? Why ever would he want to know that? GASP! You mean he wants to make sure all those guns are accounted for as well? AMAZING! I couldn't think of any good reasons why they would not want to know if people working with or near him have guns!



Most US states do not have gun registration. Federal gun registration does not exist.

All BS aside, how many guns a person owns is none of his employers business.


Being employed by the Federal Government is very different than being employed by a private entity, especially when security clearance is involved.

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

NOV 15, 2008 01:50 AM

Maxx said:

petepolly said:
All BS aside, how many guns a person owns is none of his employers business.


really? shouldn't an employer be free to set any criteria he or she pleases?
someone is free to seek employment elsewhere.



Oh shit, free market infinite loop! Careful the Libertarian collective might implode.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

This would please me.

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

NOV 15, 2008 02:12 AM

See, I think a person having a gun that is illegal (i.e. not registered in their state of residence). Would be a bit of a black mark on the President.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

NOV 15, 2008 02:18 AM

i think it's possible that this question could be used to filter gun owners (and therefore gun advocates) out of the administration. but given that it's only one question out of at least 59, i have a hard time leaping to the conclusion that it must be there for that purpose. why is it there? no idea. maybe it's standard on all such questionnaires. maybe it's there to make sure there's an even mix of gun advocates and gun control advocates on staff. maybe it's there because they felt you can never have too much information on the people you employ. the fact of its existence is not, in and of itself, damning.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

NOV 15, 2008 03:24 AM

I'm pretty sure this is just a standard job application question. Many retail chains do the same thing. Have you ever seen the questions asked on that Blockbuster job application machine thing? It's basically a psychological profile.

I'm sure this is one of many very personal questions anyone wanting to work around the president is asked, regardless of the administration.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

NOV 15, 2008 04:25 AM

So, what's the problem with making sure your potential employees are following the law? Your thread title is a total crock of shit. Nowhere in the question you quoted does it in any way imply that gun ownership will preclude someone from employment. Your constant desire to make the world fit into your incredibly distorted view is mind blowingly pathetic.

petepolly

petepolly

Antarctica
August 2008

NOV 15, 2008 07:40 AM

Maxx said:

petepolly said:
All BS aside, how many guns a person owns is none of his employers business.


really? shouldn't an employer be free to set any criteria he or she pleases?
someone is free to seek employment elsewhere.



The federal government gets to put up a requirement that you have to waive basic constitutional rights to be employed by the government?

Hell, a major employer gets to put up a requirement that you have to waive basic constitutional rights to be employed by them?

I don't think so!

petepolly

petepolly

Antarctica
August 2008

NOV 15, 2008 07:41 AM

AaronB said:
See, I think a person having a gun that is illegal (i.e. not registered in their state of residence). Would be a bit of a black mark on the President.



Only five US states have statewide registration requirements at all.

petepolly

petepolly

Antarctica
August 2008

NOV 15, 2008 07:42 AM

AceT said:
I'm pretty sure this is just a standard job application question. Many retail chains do the same thing. Have you ever seen the questions asked on that Blockbuster job application machine thing? It's basically a psychological profile.



Off with their heads!

Tiger_Fodder

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA
June 2007

NOV 15, 2008 07:56 AM

How do you read this as anti-gun? And for the record, I hope they are anti people with guns. I just don't see where you see that.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

NOV 15, 2008 08:51 AM

Petepolly, have you ever held a security clearance?

If you think asking for gun ownership information is intrusive and ridiculous, I strongly advise you never to try getting a clearance of any sort. I've held one, and I'm still in awe of the amount of info they required of me and the depth of their investigation into my entire life history.

OhSoOrdinary

OhSoOrdinary

New York, NY
July 2006

NOV 15, 2008 09:01 AM

Shalome said:
Petepolly, have you ever held a security clearance?

If you think asking for gun ownership information is intrusive and ridiculous, I strongly advise you never to try getting a clearance of any sort. I've held one, and I'm still in awe of the amount of info they required of me and the depth of their investigation into my entire life history.



Shalome, how in the world did you beat me to this.

Do you know how hard I had to work to get a top secret clearance? It took me four and half months of investigation on top of the prior investigation for my secret clearance. Talk about a reference check.

This is such a non-issue.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

NOV 15, 2008 09:06 AM

petepolly said:

Maxx said:

petepolly said:
All BS aside, how many guns a person owns is none of his employers business.


really? shouldn't an employer be free to set any criteria he or she pleases?
someone is free to seek employment elsewhere.



The federal government gets to put up a requirement that you have to waive basic constitutional rights to be employed by the government?

Hell, a major employer gets to put up a requirement that you have to waive basic constitutional rights to be employed by them?


Except that they do not require them to waive anything, only to disclose. Which you know, but that doesn't fit into your agenda of nonsensical hysteria.

Stiles

Stiles

Oakland, CA
November 2002

NOV 15, 2008 09:12 AM

petepolly said:

The federal government gets to put up a requirement that you have to waive basic constitutional rights to be employed by the government?

Hell, a major employer gets to put up a requirement that you have to waive basic constitutional rights to be employed by them?

I don't think so!



Your title, your premise, and the NRA's interpretation are beyond ridiculous. They need to make sure everything is on the up and up in all aspects of a candidate's life. Obviously gun ownership is a non-issue beyond making sure such ownership is legal and without incident.

The Obama administration is thoroughly vetting all candidates for cabinet and higher positions. Every incoming administration has done the same thing, and the process gets more involved as time goes by due to the introduction of new technology.

The Obama camp is being very careful because they know that any slip-up will be pounced on by the Republican smear machine (drudge, coulter, hannity, limbaugh etc).

As Shalome correctly mentioned, even getting a routine security clearance - which lots of government employees have - is highly invasive. Major administration positions demand and receive more attention, which is as it should be.


So really, take your overblown fear-mongering elsewhere.



A seven-page questionnaire being sent by the office of President-elect Barack Obama to those seeking cabinet and other high-ranking posts may be the most extensive - some say invasive - application ever.

The questionnaire includes 63 requests for personal and professional records, some covering applicants%u2019 spouses and grown children as well, that are forcing job-seekers to rummage from basements to attics, in shoe boxes, diaries and computer archives to document both their achievements and missteps.

Only the smallest details are excluded; traffic tickets carrying fines of less than $50 need not be reported, the application says. Applicants are asked whether they or anyone in their family owns a gun. They must include any e-mail that might embarrass the president-elect, along with any blog posts and links to their Facebook pages.

The application also asks applicants to %u201Cplease list all aliases or %u2018handles%u2019 you have used to communicate on the Internet.%u201D

The vetting process for executive branch jobs has been onerous for decades, with each incoming administration erecting new barriers in an effort to avoid the mistakes of the past, or the controversies of the present. It is typically updated to reflect technological change (there was no Facebook the last time a new president came to town).

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