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attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

NOV 06, 2008 08:02 PM

Gosh I wish he'd tell me. biggrin

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

NOV 06, 2008 08:07 PM

I just expressed interest in a job with the Obama Administration. I don't know what I'd be good for, but hell, I'd hate myself if I passed this up.

It's just a simple form.

Dave_H

Dave_H

Bermuda
January 2003

NOV 06, 2008 08:10 PM

That is rad.

lubricatedgoat

lubricatedgoat

I'm lost
May 2004

NOV 06, 2008 08:11 PM

wow!

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

NOV 06, 2008 08:13 PM

Coyotemike said:
I just expressed interest in a job with the Obama Administration. I don't know what I'd be good for, but hell, I'd hate myself if I passed this up.

It's just a simple form.



I know right?

Its like... wow.

We will never know, so its a cheap shot, but you wonder what John McCain had ready to post had he won.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

NOV 06, 2008 08:13 PM

I find his plan for national service fascinating.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

NOV 06, 2008 08:16 PM

gdarklighter said:
I find his plan for national service fascinating.




what? he needs content. hes asking for contentment in our... uh... service.

Katieesq

Katieesq

USA
June 2008

NOV 06, 2008 08:16 PM

gdarklighter said:
I find his plan for national service fascinating.



Ha!

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

NOV 06, 2008 08:32 PM

Coyotemike said:
I just expressed interest in a job with the Obama Administration. I don't know what I'd be good for, but hell, I'd hate myself if I passed this up.

It's just a simple form.



I'd like a job too. Actually I need a job. But maybe not one of those where I have to be confirmed by the Senate. eeek

Cairo

Cairo

SUICIDEGIRL

Maryland, USA

NOV 06, 2008 08:39 PM

There is a distinct lack of any mention of gay rights on that site. I emailed them about it asking for it to be included on their listed agenda and I would encourage anyone else that cares to do the same.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

NOV 06, 2008 08:58 PM

Emailed them. Also asked them to expand on the "Faith" section. I know Obama has a pretty good understanding of the church/state separation thing, but I'd like to see him spell it out here.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

NOV 06, 2008 09:38 PM

Cairo said:
There is a distinct lack of any mention of gay rights on that site. I emailed them about it asking for it to be included on their listed agenda and I would encourage anyone else that cares to do the same.


There isn't much to say, Obama opposes gay marriage. The best you can hope for is that he appoints progressive judges that see things differently before the matter comes to the courts.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

NOV 06, 2008 09:44 PM

I really like this idea, and it's amazing to me to see a website where a future administration is actually asking for our feedback on things. This truly is a turning point in the way democracy works in this country and I applaud the Obama team for this.

However, it's really looking half-assed right now. Considering how effective Obama's online strategy has been over the last two years (with my.barackobama.com and all) I'm wondering why this isn't better than it is. I'm sure they'll flesh it out, but it makes me wonder if this an idea someone had a week ago, because it kind of looks like it.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

NOV 06, 2008 09:45 PM

DPed!

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 06, 2008 09:46 PM

AceT said:

Cairo said:
There is a distinct lack of any mention of gay rights on that site. I emailed them about it asking for it to be included on their listed agenda and I would encourage anyone else that cares to do the same.


There isn't much to say, Obama opposes gay marriage. The best you can hope for is that he appoints progressive judges that see things differently before the matter comes to the courts.



That isn't accurate. How could Obama "oppose gay marriage" and also be against Prop. 8? He may not be a grand hero of marriage equality but he hardly opposes it.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 06, 2008 09:48 PM

AceT said:

Cairo said:
There is a distinct lack of any mention of gay rights on that site. I emailed them about it asking for it to be included on their listed agenda and I would encourage anyone else that cares to do the same.


There isn't much to say, Obama opposes gay marriage. The best you can hope for is that he appoints progressive judges that see things differently before the matter comes to the courts.


Please, it's not that simple and for you to try to pretend it is makes you look like a fool or a simpleton.

From another thread:

Varuka_Salt said:
Civil unions for everyone. Marriage becomes a purely religious term akin to "baptized" with no legal status whatsoever. I have yet to hear any convincing arguments for any other comprehensive, permanent solution. Religion and law must be completely, utterly and permanently disentangled.



This is, as best as I can tell, essentially Obama's personal feeling, though he hasn't said much on the topic. He has expressed a desire to bring equal rights under the law to all, and has said that that includes gay people as well as other minority groups, and it would be nice to see him clarify that that does, in fact, mean for gay couples as well as individuals, and how that relates to marriage and "civil unions." That's something it would be nice to see spelled out on his site, so don't act like there's nothing for him to say on the issue.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 06, 2008 09:57 PM

Cairo said:
There is a distinct lack of any mention of gay rights on that site. I emailed them about it asking for it to be included on their listed agenda and I would encourage anyone else that cares to do the same.



Same. I hope it's more of a "new-site-just-getting-up-and-running" factor than anything else. The LGBT section is still up on his campaign Web site.

I still think the major litmus test for gay rights in the Obama Administration would be the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

NOV 06, 2008 10:02 PM

I went there earlier. What I like even more than the plans he's laid out there is the fact that they have a form for letting other people share their vision for what they'd like to see. I worked carefully on a letter to send there. Anyone with a vision for what they'd like to see in the next 4 years, I urge you to do the same.

silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

NOV 06, 2008 10:07 PM

_kungfoo_ said:
That isn't accurate. How could Obama "oppose gay marriage" and also be against Prop. 8? He may not be a grand hero of marriage equality but he hardly opposes it.


Explained here:

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 06, 2008 10:13 PM

But yeah, I love that he did this. He's not running for anything, so it's not like he's just trying to pander to anyone (except maybe the "favorable to democracy" demographic). It's a brilliant way to carry the enthusiasm and volunteer infrastructure he built up through his campaign over into a massive, people-powered governance organism. He wasn't kidding or laying out platitudes when he said we'd have to work together and that he was going to involve the people in his government. A government for the people, by the people, for real.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

NOV 06, 2008 10:17 PM

I cant believe all you obamatons slavering over 'hussein' in complete agreement! you cant even criticize him!

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

NOV 06, 2008 11:13 PM

_kungfoo_ said:

AceT said:

Cairo said:
There is a distinct lack of any mention of gay rights on that site. I emailed them about it asking for it to be included on their listed agenda and I would encourage anyone else that cares to do the same.


There isn't much to say, Obama opposes gay marriage. The best you can hope for is that he appoints progressive judges that see things differently before the matter comes to the courts.



That isn't accurate. How could Obama "oppose gay marriage" and also be against Prop. 8?


The same way I'm against abortions but pro-choice.

bean said:
Please, it's not that simple and for you to try to pretend it is makes you look like a fool or a simpleton.


I admit it was an unnecessarily snarky response, but so was yours.

From another thread:

Varuka_Salt said:
Civil unions for everyone. Marriage becomes a purely religious term akin to "baptized" with no legal status whatsoever. I have yet to hear any convincing arguments for any other comprehensive, permanent solution. Religion and law must be completely, utterly and permanently disentangled.



I read that, and I think the chances of that happening are virtually nil. To attempt to remove marriage from government is to attempt to remove religion from law, and that's simply not going to happen. And short of that, civil unions are nothing less than "seperate but equal", and not good enough. We've been over this.

That's something it would be nice to see spelled out on his site, so don't act like there's nothing for him to say on the issue.


I never said there was nothing to say. I was giving my reasoning for why he hasn't said anything. I would love for him to elaborate on this issue, but as I stated, he doesn't seem to have much to say on the matter.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 06, 2008 11:41 PM

AceT said:

_kungfoo_ said:

AceT said:

Cairo said:
There is a distinct lack of any mention of gay rights on that site. I emailed them about it asking for it to be included on their listed agenda and I would encourage anyone else that cares to do the same.


There isn't much to say, Obama opposes gay marriage. The best you can hope for is that he appoints progressive judges that see things differently before the matter comes to the courts.



That isn't accurate. How could Obama "oppose gay marriage" and also be against Prop. 8?


The same way I'm against abortions but pro-choice.



I'm sorry, but that's a weak analogy at best. Especially in contrast of your original statement:

"There isn't much to say, Obama opposes gay marriage. The best you can hope for is that he appoints progressive judges that see things differently before the matter comes to the courts."

I don't think we know yet if an Obama Administration is going to be a true ally of marriage-equality, but you're painting a simple color of a complex issue.

The ball on marriage isn't currently in the federal government's hands. I think the real litmus test of the Obama Administration and gay rights will be the repeal of DADT.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

NOV 06, 2008 11:44 PM

AceT said:

bean said:
Please, it's not that simple and for you to try to pretend it is makes you look like a fool or a simpleton.


I admit it was an unnecessarily snarky response, but so was yours.


Please point out where I was being unnecessarily snarky. You said something foolish. I pointed out that it made you look foolish. Where is the snark?

From another thread:

Varuka_Salt said:
Civil unions for everyone. Marriage becomes a purely religious term akin to "baptized" with no legal status whatsoever. I have yet to hear any convincing arguments for any other comprehensive, permanent solution. Religion and law must be completely, utterly and permanently disentangled.



I read that, and I think the chances of that happening are virtually nil. To attempt to remove marriage from government is to attempt to remove religion from law, and that's simply not going to happen. And short of that, civil unions are nothing less than "seperate but equal", and not good enough. We've been over this.


Well, you might have, but I haven't, and certainly not with you, but in any case, it's well outside the scope of this thread. If you'd like to continue the discussion, start a new thread. I don't really care to, though, and it doesn't sound like you do either.

That's something it would be nice to see spelled out on his site, so don't act like there's nothing for him to say on the issue.


I never said there was nothing to say. I was giving my reasoning for why he hasn't said anything. I would love for him to elaborate on this issue, but as I stated, he doesn't seem to have much to say on the matter.


Explain to me how suggesting that "There's not much to say" is measurably different from "There's nothing to say" in anything but the most literal interpretation is anything other than hair-splitting. The impression that I got from your comment was that "he's against gay marriage" was the first, last, and only thing that needed to be said about his entire stance toward civil rights for gays. For that to be your response to people suggesting that it would be nice to see something about gay rights (not just gay marriage) was foolish. I don't understand why you feel you have to defend it even after you've admitted that it was "unnecessarily snarky."

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

NOV 10, 2008 08:35 PM

So, I guess they took down most of the agenda portion of the site?

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