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Jace

Jace

San Francisco, CA
February 2004

OCT 29, 2008 11:58 PM

(CNN) -- You may have heard that Wednesday night Barack Obama will be on five different TV networks speaking directly to the American people.

He bought 30 minutes of airtime from the different networks, a very expensive purchase. But hey, he can afford it. Barack Obama is loaded, way more loaded than John McCain, way more loaded than any presidential candidate has ever been at this stage of the campaign.

Just to throw a number out: He has raised well over $600 million since the start of his campaign, close to what George Bush and John Kerry raised combined in 2004.

Without question, Obama has set the bar at new height with a truly staggering sum of cash. And that is why as we approach this November, it is worth reminding ourselves what Barack Obama said last November.

One year ago, he made a promise. He pledged to accept public financing and to work with the Republican nominee to ensure that they both operated within those limits.

Then it became clear to Sen. Obama and his campaign that he was going to be able to raise on his own far more cash than he would get with public financing. So Obama went back on his word.

He broke his promise and he explained it by arguing that the system is broken and that Republicans know how to work the system to their advantage. He argued he would need all that cash to fight the ruthless attacks of 527s, those independent groups like the Swift Boat Veterans. It's funny though, those attacks never really materialized.

The Washington Post pointed out recently that the bad economy has meant a cash shortage among the 527s and that this election year they have been far less influential.

The courageous among Obama's own supporters concede this decision was really made for one reason, simply because it was to Obama's financial advantage.

On this issue today, former Sen. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, an Obama supporter, writes in The New York Post, "a hypocrite is a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue -- who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings. And that, it seems to me, is what we are doing now."

For this last week, Sen. Obama will be rolling in dough. His commercials, his get-out-the-vote effort will, as the pundits have said, dwarf the McCain campaign's final push. But in fairness, you have to admit, he is getting there in part on a broken promise.


Courtesy of CNN.com.

This seems October Surprise-ish to me. While the republicans have been whining about Obama's fundraising efforts in the last few weeks, we didn't have anyone in the media really picking up on it. Now we have an opinion piece in the last week of the election on CNN basically calling Obama a liar, and this issue is being raised all of a sudden, completely out of the blue. Something smells.

Also, Brown is wrong.

Obama said he would participate in the publc finance system if the two campaigns could come to an agreement on how to use that system. Here's what Obama said last November, almost a year ago like Brown says:

Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.


From MSNBC and written back in June, just after Obama became the democratic nominee.

The way campaigns have sidestepped the public finance limits in the past is through the use of 527 groups. These are private groups using private money to help a candidate get elected, while simultaneously denying any connection to that candidate. This allows the group to produce ads, telephone calls, etc. on behalf of a candidate using private funds that aren't a part of the public funds made available to each candidate equally. So a candidate with tons of 527 groups working on their behalf has, in effect, an unfair financial advantage if both candidates are using the equally distributed public funds as part of the public finance system. Swift Boat Veterans For Truth was accused of working on behalf of George W. Bush in 2004, and moveon.org was accused of working for John Kerry the same year.

Obama has said all along that he wants to remove the presence and influence of these groups from the election, because it's clearly a way to game the system and use private funds. This is why he said he would participate in the public finance system if the two campaigns could agree on how to use it. The lawyers from the Obama campaign and the McCain campaign got together at the start of the general election season, and according to Obama's lawyers, an agreement on how to use the public finance system could not be reached. So, Obama walked. He didn't break a promise if that's what happened.

Obama has been pushing his fundraising philosophy and model for this entire run. Throughout the primaries and the general election he's been touting his campaign as a grassroots campaign that prides itself on donations from regular people only in amounts that they can afford. I can't remember a time when this wasn't Obama's message. Obama and McCain both abstained from public funds in the primary election, because both candidates knew they could raise more privately and the public system has limits. So even if Obama did break a promise, which in my opinion he didn't, apparently nobody cared until now.

Besides that, what stopped McCain from doing the same thing? If McCain thought he could raise as much money privately as Obama, he would have absolutely opted out of the public system from the very beginning. He didn't, because he knows he can't. And now that Obama has shown how phenomenally successful his private fundraising strategy is, even though there was nothing stopping McCain from doing the same thing, everybody is crying foul.

Nobody cared about this when it was a close race. If Obama outspent the McCain campaign 2:1 and was losing, nobody would care. People only care because Obama is going to win, and they're looking for any excuse possible to call shenanigans on his campaign and invalidate the legitimacy of his election.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

OCT 30, 2008 12:13 AM

I'm 100% against public financing. I'm glad Obama didn't opt in for it. The system of small donations gets people involved and motivated to support a campaign, and rewards grassroots support. Without it, people would tune out even more, waiting around for the publicly mandated campaign events paid for with an unrealistically small amount of money, only to get drowned out by reality TV and Missing White Girl 24 hour news sagas. Instead, small donors get to own the campaign and genuinely participate directly in the process. That's good for democracy.

Also it's funny to hear McCain bleating about public financing, even though he was forced to use it, otherwise he would have been in violation of the law with his own name on it. When his primary campaign was going broke, he used the hypothetical possibility of public financing as collateral for a bank loan. McCain was planning to opt out of the public financing system, but because he materially benefited from the financing, he was forced by law to opt in to the system. Funny how that works. He didn't want to, but he put himself in the position where he was forced to, yet now he's trying to spin that as "principled". Please.

And this from the same campaign that spent $150,000 on fancy dresses for Sarah Palin, yet whines in the debates about spending public money on a planetarium for educating kids. McCain/Palin: The biggest welfare queens in America.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 30, 2008 12:20 AM

One of the reasons that this argument against Obama has been ineffective, is that it is essentially trying to convince millions of people who have donated to his campaign that he is a liar for accepting their money.

I mean, who do they think they're going to convince? The people who gave him the money in the first place?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

OCT 30, 2008 12:31 AM

Brown is trying to position herself as some sort of unbiased attack dog. Her argument is a bit dodgy and leaves out some key facts - like Obama's exact statement.

Either way, it's a non issue. Suddenly Americans are supposed to give a shit that Democrats have an unfair funding advantage. Fuck off you giant babies.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

OCT 30, 2008 12:39 AM

Ok, so I probably should've seen this before I bumped the other thread.

RedBstrd

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA
April 2004

OCT 30, 2008 01:28 AM

skeptik said:
One of the reasons that this argument against Obama has been ineffective, is that it is essentially trying to convince millions of people who have donated to his campaign that he is a liar for accepting their money.

I mean, who do they think they're going to convince? The people who gave him the money in the first place?



Exactly.

I also think that this issue won't have much traction because I suspect that the average American has a shaky understanding of campaign financing.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

OCT 30, 2008 01:28 AM

I watched her interview on the Daily show. She seemed OK, but the idea of not being biased is just hilarious to me. Also, if you're not going to be biased, and you're not going to spout BS, getting your facts straight would be stellar.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

OCT 30, 2008 01:40 AM

AceT said:
Ok, so I probably should've seen this before I bumped the other thread.



I was just about to link to this thread, but I'm glad I checked to see if you'd posted here.

suaveadonis

suaveadonis

USA
January 2007

OCT 30, 2008 01:49 AM

What pissed my off about her article was the timing and headline so close to election time when some voters are still skeptical and undecided. I think it is in poor taste plus did not John McCain say he would run a campaign on the issues only? I am really disappointed in her.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

OCT 30, 2008 01:56 AM

bunky said:
What pissed my off about her article was the timing and headline so close to election time when some voters are still skeptical and undecided. I think it is in poor taste plus did not John McCain say he would run a campaign on the issues only? I am really disappointed in her.


The article was written after one of the candidates purchased a half hour of prime time on all of the major networks, something I don't think any candidate has ever done. If she swayed undecideds against your candidate of choice that's not her fault, it's the voters', who apparently are too dumb to base their decisions on real issues.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 30, 2008 02:02 AM

OMFG, how can he, like, get away with it, all this time and we thought he was running a clean campaign and now this!?!
That's it, there's no way I could ever vote for him now.

Seriously, isn't this really, really, really old news? Bringing it up now is... surreal
Never mind, "October Surprise!"

Pathetic.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 30, 2008 02:16 AM

Otoki said:
I watched her interview on the Daily show. She seemed OK, but the idea of not being biased is just hilarious to me. Also, if you're not going to be biased, and you're not going to spout BS, getting your facts straight would be stellar.


Right, it kind of reminds me of someone who starts out a sentence with, "I'm not ________-ist, but..." You already know they're going to say something extremely offensive and stupid. Thats how I feel about Fox News: "Fair & Balanced" or the multitude of Bush's initiatives and policies like the Clear Skies Initiative, No Child Left Behind Act, Clean Water Act, Healthy Forests Restoration Act , Help America Vote Act, etc. They all sound good but you know they're loaded to the gills with shit that's going to go contrary to their noble sounding monikers (I call them trophy names - akin to mounting a kill).

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

OCT 30, 2008 03:13 AM

s5 said:
I'm 100% against public financing. I'm glad Obama didn't opt in for it. The system of small donations gets people involved and motivated to support a campaign, and rewards grassroots support. Without it, people would tune out even more, waiting around for the publicly mandated campaign events paid for with an unrealistically small amount of money, only to get drowned out by reality TV and Missing White Girl 24 hour news sagas. Instead, small donors get to own the campaign and genuinely participate directly in the process. That's good for democracy.


Exactly. But I'd add to that that I'd be more in favor of bigger limits on donations from corporations, collectives, and other non-person organizations. Let the candidates appeal to the people for their funding, and let middle-class donors' donations speak just as loudly as those of the wealthy and the well-connected.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 30, 2008 07:16 AM

GrayRains

GrayRains

Twin Lake, MI
January 2008

OCT 30, 2008 07:24 AM

bean said:

s5 said:
I'm 100% against public financing. I'm glad Obama didn't opt in for it. The system of small donations gets people involved and motivated to support a campaign, and rewards grassroots support. Without it, people would tune out even more, waiting around for the publicly mandated campaign events paid for with an unrealistically small amount of money, only to get drowned out by reality TV and Missing White Girl 24 hour news sagas. Instead, small donors get to own the campaign and genuinely participate directly in the process. That's good for democracy.


Exactly. But I'd add to that that I'd be more in favor of bigger limits on donations from corporations, collectives, and other non-person organizations. Let the candidates appeal to the people for their funding, and let middle-class donors' donations speak just as loudly as those of the wealthy and the well-connected.



Couldn't say it any better myself. The more you put back into the hands of the common people, the better.

silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

OCT 30, 2008 09:46 AM

bean said:

s5 said:
I'm 100% against public financing. I'm glad Obama didn't opt in for it. The system of small donations gets people involved and motivated to support a campaign, and rewards grassroots support. Without it, people would tune out even more, waiting around for the publicly mandated campaign events paid for with an unrealistically small amount of money, only to get drowned out by reality TV and Missing White Girl 24 hour news sagas. Instead, small donors get to own the campaign and genuinely participate directly in the process. That's good for democracy.


Exactly. But I'd add to that that I'd be more in favor of bigger limits on donations from corporations, collectives, and other non-person organizations. Let the candidates appeal to the people for their funding, and let middle-class donors' donations speak just as loudly as those of the wealthy and the well-connected.


I'm in favor of banning donations from collective entities entirely. Only individuals should be allowed to donate.

Katieesq

Katieesq

USA
June 2008

OCT 30, 2008 10:00 AM

s5 said:
Also it's funny to hear McCain bleating about public financing, even though he was forced to use it, otherwise he would have been in violation of the law with his own name on it. When his primary campaign was going broke, he used the hypothetical possibility of public financing as collateral for a bank loan. McCain was planning to opt out of the public financing system, but because he materially benefited from the financing, he was forced by law to opt in to the system. Funny how that works. He didn't want to, but he put himself in the position where he was forced to, yet now he's trying to spin that as "principled". Please.



Could you explain (or link to an article that explains) why McCain was "forced" into using public financing? I'm a little confused on how he was able to put up public money as collateral...

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

OCT 30, 2008 10:14 AM

Like it's Obama's fault that stockula has been doing such an amazing job of fund raising for his campaign. McCain should just STFU and accept that people are throwing money at Obama's campaign because they can't fathom another 4 years of this crap.

kthxbi

kthxbi

Gulf Breeze, FL
November 2006

OCT 30, 2008 10:25 AM

I have donated $350 and volunteered hours (registering voters & knocking on doors); In 2004, I did nothing.

If I could afford more, I would donate more.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

OCT 30, 2008 10:44 AM

Katieesq said:

s5 said:
Also it's funny to hear McCain bleating about public financing, even though he was forced to use it, otherwise he would have been in violation of the law with his own name on it. When his primary campaign was going broke, he used the hypothetical possibility of public financing as collateral for a bank loan. McCain was planning to opt out of the public financing system, but because he materially benefited from the financing, he was forced by law to opt in to the system. Funny how that works. He didn't want to, but he put himself in the position where he was forced to, yet now he's trying to spin that as "principled". Please.



Could you explain (or link to an article that explains) why McCain was "forced" into using public financing? I'm a little confused on how he was able to put up public money as collateral...



That's why he was forced into it. Using general election public financing as collateral for a loan to be used in the primary was really sketchy. I think that the FEC eventually came to the conclusion that it was okay (in a split decision that the chairman didn't agree with), but when it was a question relevant to McCain's campaign and his decision of whether or not to continue trying to opt out of general election public financing, comments from the FEC chairman were leaning in the direction of, "There's not much we can do about it right now, but we don't buy their justifications" (paraphrased). So in order to avoid possibly running afoul of his own campaign finance law, he gave up and opted into public financing.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

OCT 30, 2008 12:34 PM

I don't see a problem. It's the free market applied to the election. I thought republicans loved that shit.

Tigerwong

Tigerwong

Baltimore, MD
February 2005

OCT 30, 2008 12:59 PM

Accuser said:
I don't see a problem. It's the free market applied to the election. I thought republicans loved that shit.



I LOL'ed.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

OCT 30, 2008 01:19 PM

Katieesq said:
Could you explain (or link to an article that explains) why McCain was "forced" into using public financing? I'm a little confused on how he was able to put up public money as collateral...



I reposted an article about this in the Liberal Politics group just after the primaries. Let me see if I can dig it up.