Obama - the birth certificate thing

Some way off base conservatives have been saying that Obama is not a US citizen because (they claim) he was born in Kenya. The problem is that even if that were true, so long as he was born to a US citizen (his mom) and has not renounced his citizenship, he is a natural born US citizen and eligible to run for president. So that should dispose of the issue, , ,

However, the Obama campaign has posted this in response.

All well and good, well, , ,maybe not. Look hard at the first birth certificate, now look hard at this real birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii in 1963 for a different person.

Looks a lot different and Obama's leaves off a hell of a lot of basic information like what hospital, the occupation, birthplace, addresses and ages of each of the parents, the name and signature of the attending physician or midwife. In that "certificate" that is posted by the Obama campaign no person certifies anything, which is the basic idea behind a birth certificate, a person, preferably a doctor or other medical person, along with a parent or some other person CERTIFIES under penalty of perjury that the child named on the certificate was born and when and where.

What the hell is going on? It looks to me by this that Obama is hiding something.

OK, what is he hiding? You've already asserted that since he was born to an American citizen, he is automatically a US citizen? I can only guess that you are trolling as usual. If I'm wrong, I ask the moderators to delete this post and warn me appropriately.

Here you go.

You do realize that is the "short form" of a birth certificate in your first link (Obama's) and in the second link it's the "Long Form".

Read about them here

Long Form:

Short Form:

There was no information "left off". It's two different forms of a birth certificate.

A few years ago, I had to get a new copy of my social security card, as mine had been accidentally destroyed. I had to order an official notarized birth certificate to be sent to me. It looked a lot like the one the Obama campaign posted -- a modern computer print-out on a watermarked background.

My original birth certificate (a copy of which I'd seen in a "baby book" my mother kept when I was a kid) looked a lot more like the second one you posted. It is on file in the records, but it is not what gets sent out when you request an official copy.

The Social Security Administration didn't think there was any question about the validity of the document I handed them, nor did they question my citizenship because of it.


Got any other non-issues to float?

Not to mention, if this really was an issue to be raised... I think the government would have done it before allowing him to run for presidency.
Common sense, I am sure that is a hard one for you to grasp.

I think you just posted this for attention... and sadly, I am enabling you by defending the certificate.

Since there is a new anti-trolling policy in effect, can this thread just be locked, or deleted, as it is completely and totally irrelevant, and obviously posted just to troll? Not trying to tell any mods how to do their job, just asking.

Here's the thing... it's not actually trolling. Someone being either unable or unwilling to use Google doesn't make them a troll, it makes them ignorant of what they're discussing and therefore ridiculously easy to argue with.

It's an incredibly easily disproven topic that obviously didn't require much discussion, but there's no reason to believe it was posted in bad faith rather than in ignorance.

Plus, it let us dispel some ignorance, so if this topic ever comes up again we can point to this thread and say "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION, NOOB!"

OK..

RMA out!

I have no idea, that is what I want to know.

So did it not list the name of the doctor or who signed it, or any of the other information normally listed?

I have had to get a birth certificate to get a passport, and that was not my experience at all.

shalome explained the birth certificate thing. RMA explained the birth thing. If you continue to think barack is hiding something, his campaign offering a denial is not going to satisfy you, only finding a flaw will satisfy you. How do you want to go about getting a result to your liking?

It was something of interest I offered for discussion.

Shalome did not address the issues of the certificate not naming hospital, doctor, or parents information as is shown on an original ~ contemporary Hawaiian birth certificate that I posted a reference to, which was my original point. Namely that this looks really fishy to someone who has seen a birth certificate before.

Whatever, nobody gives a shit one way or the other.

Maybe if he could get a birth certificate for Obama that was signed by Ron Paul?

Thank you that actually answers the question of why the other information was not on the birth certificate, they have the "short form".

I remember reading about the whole "doctor's name" thing (can't remember where, it was when this first came out months ago), and that isn't actually a requirement. I can't remember if that is decided on a state by state basis, but Hawaii considers the certificate that has been made available by the Obama campaign as valid.

Obviously you do, why? Why does it matter to you if he's a citizen no matter what his birth certificate says or doesn't say? You must have some reason for posting this.

Looks a lot like the birth certificate I got to replace the one that was lost when I was a kid. This is news?

Accuser answered this. The birth certificate the Obama campaign published is a "short form" the state of Hawaii publishes that removes a lot of the information normally on a birth certificate that was on the example I posted.

No.

does your idea 'something's fishy' follow occams razor? do you really think that the first time a half-black hawaiian son of a foreigner running for highest office in the land is going to cover up his non-american birth for 47 years and convince his entire staff, the majority of the media, and the opposition that he is a citizen by birth? Do you think hes so meglomaniacal that he would do all this when theres a chance he could be found out?

i mean, if its a con, its a spectacular one. but occam aint cutting it.

You don't want to know about it when someone running for president is, or appears to be, misleading you?

Can you possibly give a straight answer to a question? There is no controversy here. The birth certificate has been authenticated by every possible authority involved.

John McCain's citizenship is much more in question.

But I think both issues are bullshit.

so i guess this turns into the point where now every question you've had has been answered and every poorly-posited and vague argument you've presented has been refuted. are you just being willfully obtuse, or are you attempting to perpetuate what's obviously one hell of a troll thread?