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Quella

Quella

USA
July 2008

OCT 11, 2008 01:42 PM

Sarah Palin's new attacks on Obama allege he "put ambition before country" by conversing with Iraqi politicans in June of 08 about troop withdrawal.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/campaign.wrap/?iref=mpstoryview


Obama told Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in June that an agreement between the United States and the leaders to allow U.S. troops to stay in the country after 2008 should not go into effect unless it had congressional approval.

The conversation occurred two weeks after Obama secured the Democratic nomination for president, the newspaper reported.

It was widely reported at the time that Obama had conversations with the Iraqi leadership and expressed similar views publicly at news conferences.

But the campaign of Obama's Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, argued that Obama's call interfered with U.S. efforts to reach a "status of forces agreement" with the Iraqi government. The U.S. and Iraq have yet to announce a final agreement despite numerous reports that one was near.

During a fundraiser in Madeira, Ohio, Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, said Obama tried to influence the negotiations "in a way that would set back America's cause there, while advancing his campaign here."

"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



As a senator involved in the troop withdrawal negotiations, informing the Iraqi negotiators that the plan would need congressional approval seems to be within his role and responsible at that.

WHY is CNN all hot about how this will dominate the media next week??

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

OCT 11, 2008 01:45 PM


"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



She starts by saying "If this is true . . . " Does that mean she isn't bothering to check ANYTHING anymore?

Bill_the_Cat

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON
May 2005

OCT 11, 2008 01:48 PM

Coyotemike said:


"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



She starts by saying "If this is true . . . " Does that mean she isn't bothering to check ANYTHING anymore?



What do you mean "anymore"?

Quella

Quella

USA
July 2008

OCT 11, 2008 01:50 PM

CNN reports that this spectacular event was just reported by The Washington Times but I just searched and can't even find the link.

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

OCT 11, 2008 01:50 PM

She's just jealous cuz he got to talk to some foreign leaders!

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

OCT 11, 2008 01:56 PM

Bill_the_Satan said:

Coyotemike said:


"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



She starts by saying "If this is true . . . " Does that mean she isn't bothering to check ANYTHING anymore?



What do you mean "anymore"?



But . . . but . . . she reads ALL the newspapers!!!

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

OCT 11, 2008 02:06 PM

Coyotemike said:


"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



She starts by saying "If this is true . . . " Does that mean she isn't bothering to check ANYTHING anymore?



in what respect, Charlie?

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

OCT 11, 2008 02:06 PM

are she and john playing good cop, bad cop now? or is she just coming up with all the distractions because she's horribly inept at discussing the real issues?

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

OCT 11, 2008 02:13 PM

scylis said:

Coyotemike said:


"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



She starts by saying "If this is true . . . " Does that mean she isn't bothering to check ANYTHING anymore?



in what respect, Charlie?



I'll have to get back to you on that.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

OCT 11, 2008 03:10 PM

RudieCantFail said:

scylis said:

Coyotemike said:


"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



She starts by saying "If this is true . . . " Does that mean she isn't bothering to check ANYTHING anymore?



in what respect, Charlie?



I'll have to get back to you on that.



that's just too much fun to not use.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

OCT 11, 2008 03:15 PM

Heh. Sarah Palin isn't convincing anybody of anything. The wingnuts love her and everybody is laughing at her. The end.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 11, 2008 04:35 PM

Palin said she was "frustrated" that the report did not come out until a little more than three weeks before the election.



Apparently she really doesn't read "every news source." She missed the New York Post. This thing hit all the right-wing blogs almost a month ago, claiming that Obama had violated the Logan Act.

And then it died, because it was bullshit. Apparently, Caribou Barbie likes the smell of reanimated zombie bullshit.

Quella

Quella

USA
July 2008

OCT 11, 2008 04:46 PM

skeptik said:

Palin said she was "frustrated" that the report did not come out until a little more than three weeks before the election.



Apparently she really doesn't read "every news source." She missed the New York Post. This thing hit all the right-wing blogs almost a month ago, claiming that Obama had violated the Logan Act.

And then it died, because it was bullshit. Apparently, Caribou Barbie likes the smell of reanimated zombie bullshit.



thanks for your investigative work! smile

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 11, 2008 08:30 PM

Quella said:

skeptik said:

Palin said she was "frustrated" that the report did not come out until a little more than three weeks before the election.



Apparently she really doesn't read "every news source." She missed the New York Post. This thing hit all the right-wing blogs almost a month ago, claiming that Obama had violated the Logan Act.

And then it died, because it was bullshit. Apparently, Caribou Barbie likes the smell of reanimated zombie bullshit.



thanks for your investigative work! smile



It's what I live for.
biggrin

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

OCT 11, 2008 08:38 PM

Projection



According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else. It is a common process that every person uses to some degree.[3]

To understand the process, consider a person in a couple who has thoughts of infidelity. Instead of dealing with these undesirable thoughts consciously, he or she subconsciously projects these feelings onto the other person, and begins to think that the other has thoughts of infidelity and may be having an affair. In this sense, projection is related to denial, arguably the only defense mechanism that is more primitive than projection. Projection, like all defense mechanisms provide a function whereby truth about a part of themselves that may otherwise be unacceptable is shielded.

Compartmentalization, splitting and projection are ways that the ego continues to pretend that it is completely in control at all times, when in reality human experience is one of shifting beingness, instinctual or territorial reactiveness and emotional motives, for which the "I" is not always complicit. Further, common in deep trauma, individuals will be unable to access truthful memories, intentions and experiences, even about their own nature, wherein projection is just one too.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 11, 2008 09:29 PM

joker_ said:
Projection



According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else. It is a common process that every person uses to some degree.[3]

To understand the process, consider a person in a couple who has thoughts of infidelity. Instead of dealing with these undesirable thoughts consciously, he or she subconsciously projects these feelings onto the other person, and begins to think that the other has thoughts of infidelity and may be having an affair. In this sense, projection is related to denial, arguably the only defense mechanism that is more primitive than projection. Projection, like all defense mechanisms provide a function whereby truth about a part of themselves that may otherwise be unacceptable is shielded.

Compartmentalization, splitting and projection are ways that the ego continues to pretend that it is completely in control at all times, when in reality human experience is one of shifting beingness, instinctual or territorial reactiveness and emotional motives, for which the "I" is not always complicit. Further, common in deep trauma, individuals will be unable to access truthful memories, intentions and experiences, even about their own nature, wherein projection is just one too.

I've been doing a bit of armchair psychoanalyzing of candidate McCain (as we all should be) and I keep coming back to this point of projection you've just hit on. He seems to project an abject dislike upon his opponent no matter if a foreign leader, a political rival or a nosy reporter. Initially, he refuses to talk to "enemies" as a matter of policy, similarly he refuses to directly acknowledge (or even look in the eye) Barack Obama. I wonder if his general approach to dealing with someone of conflicting personality is to deal with them as if they were his enemy (but to keep himself in check, he refuses to directly engage them). History has shown that once he has been forced into a confrontational situation that he cannot avoid, he can become volatile and angry. My guess that this behavior may be contributed to lingering symptoms of PTSD, but such behavior likely goes back even further into his childhood.


Regarding Palin's "ambition before country" comment. Talk about the teapot calling the kettle black. Doesn't she know that nearly every single argument she makes against Obama, it comes back to her two-fold? Maybe if she had a real, positive and substantive message, she'd have more people's attention.

Quella

Quella

USA
July 2008

OCT 12, 2008 07:02 PM

joker_ said:
Projection



According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, and feelings onto someone else. It is a common process that every person uses to some degree.[3]

To understand the process, consider a person in a couple who has thoughts of infidelity. Instead of dealing with these undesirable thoughts consciously, he or she subconsciously projects these feelings onto the other person, and begins to think that the other has thoughts of infidelity and may be having an affair. In this sense, projection is related to denial, arguably the only defense mechanism that is more primitive than projection. Projection, like all defense mechanisms provide a function whereby truth about a part of themselves that may otherwise be unacceptable is shielded.

Compartmentalization, splitting and projection are ways that the ego continues to pretend that it is completely in control at all times, when in reality human experience is one of shifting beingness, instinctual or territorial reactiveness and emotional motives, for which the "I" is not always complicit. Further, common in deep trauma, individuals will be unable to access truthful memories, intentions and experiences, even about their own nature, wherein projection is just one too.



perfect characterization!

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

OCT 12, 2008 07:09 PM


"If this is true ... it is a stunning example of putting ambition above country," Palin said. "To put political ambitions in front of doing what's right for our troops is breathtaking, and it is unacceptable."



Palin now has to explain why going to war in Iraq was in the best interests of American troops. That should be interesting.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 12, 2008 09:08 PM

You've hit it on the head SockPuppet.

To note, I'm sick and tired of Repugs thinking they have a monopoly on the "best interest of the troops". They've done nothing but use and abuse them. They're keen on wrapping themselves in the cloak of nationalistic patriotism (if you question their motives you get accused of being unpatriotic) and are always keen on using the troops as a political screen ("I love the troops and they love me" which seems to imply " if you don't love me, you must not love the troops"), meanwhile they've been sent off to an illegal meat grinder, unsupported, unprepared and ill equipped all under the watch of the Republicans. Furthermore, they had to worry about not receiving the proper care and services they deserve once they finally come home. Those who have been unfortunate enough to have lost their lives serving this country have been martyred by the Republicans who have the gall to accuse their detractors of "cutting and running". Their calculus defines the loss of any soldier in this war as a "meaningless sacrifice" should they not get their say on how this war ends. It's sickening.

In fact, I'll take it a step further. This rush to war the Republicans seem so keen on defending has actually weakened the country. It hasn't brought stability to the region and it has placed our National security in further jeopardy of attack from radicalized elements that have a new cause to go to war. The States' National Guard forces have been forced to support the regular Armed Forces instead, leaving the country incapable of handling domestic emergencies.

Quella

Quella

USA
July 2008

OCT 12, 2008 09:26 PM

In addition, unlike other divisions of the military, the national guard members are older, and often less physically fit, and they signed on to help their local communities in most cases - not to go to fight ground combat! They die disproportionately too. frown

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 12, 2008 10:37 PM

But, but ...

Governor Palin has command experience with her National Guard troops. Commander In Chief, even.

Oh wait, perhaps not.

Later, when questions were raised about Palin's lack of experience in national and international affairs, the McCain campaign pointed again to her military command experience as governor. Some reporters have tried to follow up.
...
However, the governor has no command authority overseas or anywhere in the United States other than Alaska, said Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, the service commander of the Alaska National Guard.

"When members of the National Guard are federalized, they work for the president," Campbell said Wednesday. "It's not just overseas. They could be federalized to go to other states or they could even be federalized in the state."

Occasions in which Palin retains command authority over the 4,200-member Alaska National Guard are whenever the Guard responds to in-state natural disasters and civic emergencies, said Campbell, who also serves as the commissioner of the state Department of Military and Veterans Affairs.
...
Did Palin directly approve each of those activities?

No, Campbell said. The governor has granted him the authority to act on his own in most cases, including life-or-death emergencies (when a quick response is required) and minor day-to-day operations.



She has, in fact, never given a single direct command to Alaska National Guard troops.

oops

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 12, 2008 10:43 PM

Yeah, but you know... She can see Russia from Alaska. Alaska is the central front against Soviet aggression... Oops, wrong century.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 12, 2008 10:54 PM

Well, you know, when Putin rears his head ...

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

OCT 12, 2008 11:05 PM

skeptik said:
Well, you know, when Putin rears his head ...



skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 12, 2008 11:08 PM

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