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bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 23, 2008 05:23 PM

Recently John McCain made some...interesting statements about his attitudes toward the Iraq War:

Over the last year Senator Obama and I were part of a great debate, about the war in Iraq. Both of us agreed that the Bush administration had pursued a failed policy.

I strongly disagreed with the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war in Iraq.

I was the greatest critic of the initial 4 years, 3 and a half years.

We've had a failed strategy which I bitterly disagreed with for more than 3 years.



Wait, what? The "greatest critic of the initial 4, 3 1/2 years?" That doesn't sound quite right.

Let's see what McCain actually said throughout the war:

2003

I've said many times that I believe the progress of the war is more than satisfactory."

I would say that it's a certainly successful operation

Major conflict is over

Once these people are gone, we will be greeted as liberators.

Q: Are you proud of the work and the leadership of this Commander in Chief?
A: Yes I am. I think the President has led with great clarity and I think he's done a great job leading the country.

We are winning in Iraq. Things are going very well in the North and in the South.

(chuckling) Taxpayers should feel better about the use of their dollars that have been spent on defense all these years.



2004

For his determination to undertake it and for his unflagging resolve to see it through to a just end, President Bush deserves not only our support, but our admiration... He has been tested and has risen to the most important challenge of our time and I salute him.



2005

On the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I have been totally in agreement and support of President Bush... and I'm particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq...

Larry King: Given the benefit of hindsight, would you go into Iraq again, would you do what we did..
John McCain: Yes.



2006

Q: Do you have confidence in the President and his national security team to lead the war at this stage?
A: I do. I do. I have confidence in the President and I believe he is well aware of the severity of the situation.



The "Straight Talk Express" strikes again!

Watch those words actually come out of McCain's filthy lying mouth:

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JUL 23, 2008 05:26 PM

I love how he throws "Great Debate" in there, like he's getting his Lincoln-Douglas on or something.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JUL 23, 2008 05:37 PM

This is just sad. How does McCain have any supporters?

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 23, 2008 06:03 PM

coyotemike said:
This is just sad. How does McCain have any supporters?



Because nobody in the traditional media even thinks to do the slightest bit of checking into anything he says.

A catch phrase for McCain's campaign is the "Straight Talk Express" and those who listened to the senator said that's an accurate description. They think McCain seems very sincere.

Deborah Connor of Dallas felt as if they were having a conversation with the candidate about the issues.

"He seemed very sincere in all of his issues, in everything he talked about. It seemed like he was just one of us, just talking to us," Connor said.


http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=8722936&nav=menu158_2

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

JUL 23, 2008 06:08 PM

bean said:

coyotemike said:
This is just sad. How does McCain have any supporters?



Because nobody in the traditional media even thinks to do the slightest bit of checking into anything he says.

A catch phrase for McCain's campaign is the "Straight Talk Express" and those who listened to the senator said that's an accurate description. They think McCain seems very sincere.

Deborah Connor of Dallas felt as if they were having a conversation with the candidate about the issues.

"He seemed very sincere in all of his issues, in everything he talked about. It seemed like he was just one of us, just talking to us," Connor said.


http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=8722936&nav=menu158_2


The press is addicted to his BBQs too. All the press wants is someone to treat them like theyre cool and have a beer with them.

its like nerds in high school.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 23, 2008 06:17 PM

Well, that made my scotch taste funny. And now he's trying to sell troop surge, and not the pay-off of militias, as a reason for lower rates of violence.

Pstt.


coyotemike said:
This is just sad. How does McCain have any supporters?



An inappropriate reverence for Spartan values and short attention span theater?

StarBelliedBoy

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA
December 2003

JUL 23, 2008 06:29 PM

I hate to say it, but a politician lying? How is this news?

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUL 23, 2008 06:58 PM

StarBelliedBoy said:
I hate to say it, but a politician lying? How is this news?



Because it's not just rhetoric. It's flat out contradictions.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JUL 23, 2008 07:00 PM

The last panel seems appropriate with this thead...

zoom image

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 23, 2008 07:08 PM

^^Completely!

Necia

Necia

San Francisco, CA
August 2005

JUL 23, 2008 07:09 PM

bean said:

coyotemike said:
This is just sad. How does McCain have any supporters?



Because nobody in the traditional media even thinks to do the slightest bit of checking into anything he says.



Saddest part is, even without that checking, he seems to end up looking like an asshat most of the time.

Of course, I have a "John McCain is an asshat" bias, so take my words for what you will.

ChrisSick

ChrisSick

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

JUL 23, 2008 07:12 PM

_kungfoo_ said:
The last panel seems appropriate with this thead...

zoom image



Panel three made me breath easier. For the longest time I was convinced I was the only one who noticed that every time he delivered a prepared line and it landed he would smile like a rather confused but pleased zombie, presented with a fresh corpse, saying 'all for me?'

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 23, 2008 07:15 PM

StarBelliedBoy said:
I hate to say it, but a politician lying? How is this news?


A) What _kungfoo_ said. The stereotype about politicians is that their rhetoric is slimy, and designed to give them wiggle room so that they can say that they didn't really mean what it was obvious that they meant.

B) Point to where I said it was news. Seriously. Find one place where I said it was news. This is a discussion board where news items sometimes appear. That doesn't mean that no topic is worth discussing unless it's news.

C) It is news, when a politician who is known as a "straight-talker" lies through his teeth, especially when he has been giving contradictory statements about a wide variety of topics since he began his campaign and the traditional media has not just allowed but facilitated the perpetuation of that mythical reputation.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

JUL 23, 2008 07:29 PM

It really is ridiculous that he pulls shit like this out of hit ass seemingly every other day and the only people who mention it seem to be the liberal bloggers.

It's craziness, man.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JUL 23, 2008 07:31 PM

crispy said:
It really is ridiculous that he pulls shit like this out of hit ass seemingly every other day and the only people who mention it seem to be the liberal bloggers.

It's craziness, man.



But . . . but . . . it's the liberal media, man! They're all on Obama's side, man, and they're being so UNFAIR!!!

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

JUL 23, 2008 07:44 PM

Also, McCain apparently has some difficulty knowing the meaning of words.

"A surge is really a counterinsurgency made up of a number of components. ... I'm not sure people understand that `surge' is part of a counterinsurgency."



And 'acid' is part of 'antacid.' But I'm not going to take some to get rid of the heartburn his remarks give me.

How is this guy able to even tie his own shoes, for fuck's sake?

Adroitbeing

Adroitbeing

I'm lost
September 2003

JUL 23, 2008 08:12 PM

I am pleased to report that hotel rooms remain available for the upcoming Republican convention in Minneapolis as do many volunteer positions requested by event organizers.

Conversely, hotel rooms for the DNC are unavailable and there are more volunteers than there are open positions.

The point is, McCain can afford to flip-flop as much as he likes because no one is listening.

Skeletone

Skeletone

Lowell, MA
May 2008

JUL 23, 2008 08:32 PM

Newsflash: Politicians Lie.

Film at 11.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JUL 23, 2008 08:37 PM

In Saint Paul. They're different cities. Really.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

JUL 23, 2008 08:41 PM

Yeah, it'll be the day when McCain gets equal treatment in the press. It's not their fault he's a major yawn of a candidate, but seriously, how can they continue to give him a pass while Obama is left to either make it or break it in the press? Interestingly, it seems that McCain's only "strength" is his laughable position on foreign policy. While Obama has proactively been engaged in trying to prove his diplomatic abilities during his world campaign, he is also allowing McCain to frame the debate around foreign policy. In light of Obama's rather successful and well received tour, McCain may suddenly be perceived as weak and superfluous as he is on the economy. If this miracle somehow happens, then there will be nothing left for McCain to stand on... It's actually quite amazing seeing the Bush administration finally shifting into gear and engage the remaining members of the "Axis of Evil" diplomatically, just as Obama has said he would, whilst McCain has pledged to give no corner to the "enemy", treating diplomacy as if it were a dirty word

For those of you who are left scratching your heads after my last comment, you may want to open your eyes. In the last week or two, after hearing the murmurings of discontent from the Maliki Government in Iraq, Bush has started mulling a "time horizon" for US troop withdrawal sometime close to 2010 (gee, change the words from "time line" to "time horizon" and it suddenly becomes a magical, winged, unicorn with rainbow sparkles). Bush also sent a diplomat to Tehran to talk with Iranian leaders, perhaps with the aim of re-establishing a US embassy mission after nearly 30 years! Add to that the return to nuclear disarmament talks with North Korea, and its starting to sound like peace on Earth..

Of course, we're still at war in Afghanistan, and the ISAF forces in support of "Operation Enduring Freedom" have their hands full with strengthening Taliban and al Qaeda forces. It has been suggested that we turn our attention from the Western front to the Eastern one by drawing down troops in Iraq to bolster support the ISAF nations that have been shouldering the burden ever since we invaded Iraq. Again, this is yet another approach Senator Obama has been calling for for quite sometime and now even McCain is whistling to the same tune for an increased troop presence in Afghanistan. Let's not kid ourselves, we're going to be at war for quite sometime into the future, no matter who gets elected president. The question is, who do you think will do a better job of getting us through it and back again?

By the way, wouldn't it be nice if the candidates started focusing on domestic issues again soon? I mean, I don't mind the Obama campaign's shrewd approach, going for McCain's jugular over foreign policy, but come on, we've got a whole country here that's rotting from within!

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUL 23, 2008 08:44 PM

CaptainTripps said:
Newsflash: Politicians Lie.

Film at 11.


Thank you for your insightful commentary, genius, but that dog won't hunt. Refer to A) and C) below:

bean said:

StarBelliedBoy said:
I hate to say it, but a politician lying? How is this news?


A) What _kungfoo_ said. The stereotype about politicians is that their rhetoric is slimy, and designed to give them wiggle room so that they can say that they didn't really mean what it was obvious that they meant.

B) Point to where I said it was news. Seriously. Find one place where I said it was news. This is a discussion board where news items sometimes appear. That doesn't mean that no topic is worth discussing unless it's news.

C) It is news, when a politician who is known as a "straight-talker" lies through his teeth, especially when he has been giving contradictory statements about a wide variety of topics since he began his campaign and the traditional media has not just allowed but facilitated the perpetuation of that mythical reputation.




stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

JUL 23, 2008 08:54 PM

Well I am not sure about your assertion Bean. Did you quote the sum total of what McCain's said about the Iraq situation over the last five years? Obviously not, you've for the sake of brevity excluded most all of it. But you have posted enough to support an allegation that McCain's full of crap.

I bet if you gave me some time I could dredge up beaucoup McCain statements that would prove the general assertion. Simply posting stuff that doesn't support his assertions doesn't preclude the possibilty those statements exist and are on record.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 23, 2008 09:00 PM

stockula said:
Well I am not sure about your assertion Bean. Did you quote the sum total of what McCain's said about the Iraq situation over the last five years? Obviously not, you've for the sake of brevity excluded most all of it. But you have posted enough to support an allegation that McCain's full of crap.

I bet if you gave me some time I could dredge up beaucoup McCain statements that would prove the general assertion. Simply posting stuff that doesn't support his assertions doesn't preclude the possibilty those statements exist and are on record.



Well hey, this is true. Nice work, stock. Also, please do dredge up those statements. I'm more than happy to judge him on the breadth of his record, not just his sound-bytes.

Of course, if you demand that be the standard that McCain is judged upon, you must also agree to the same with Obama. And you must be consistent with that belief. Otherwise, it's the Battle of the Soundbytes! Woo hoo!

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JUL 23, 2008 09:02 PM

Moreover, it bears repeating and yes I have bias on this statement and yadda yadda yadda, but if McCain's record on flip-flopping and fudging and role-reversals and shady associations was given anywhere close to the same scrutiny that Obama's had, McCain's hysterical claims about media bias might have some weight. As it is, the fact is that Obama could NEVER get away with 90% of the shit that McCain gets a free pass on. Ever.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JUL 23, 2008 09:18 PM

Subrosa said:

stockula said:
Well I am not sure about your assertion Bean. Did you quote the sum total of what McCain's said about the Iraq situation over the last five years? Obviously not, you've for the sake of brevity excluded most all of it. But you have posted enough to support an allegation that McCain's full of crap.

I bet if you gave me some time I could dredge up beaucoup McCain statements that would prove the general assertion. Simply posting stuff that doesn't support his assertions doesn't preclude the possibilty those statements exist and are on record.



Well hey, this is true. Nice work, stock. Also, please do dredge up those statements. I'm more than happy to judge him on the breadth of his record, not just his sound-bytes.

Of course, if you demand that be the standard that McCain is judged upon, you must also agree to the same with Obama. And you must be consistent with that belief. Otherwise, it's the Battle of the Soundbytes! Woo hoo!




There's no way to finesse McCain's previous whole-hearted support for this war and his bold statements of having have rebuked this administration early on on the execution of the war. And there's no reconciling his non-recognition of the role of paying off militias in the lessening of violence with his puffed-up touting of "The Surge"


stockula said:
I bet if you gave me some time I could dredge up beaucoup McCain statements that would prove the general assertion.



I'd be interested to know which "general assertion" that would be?

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