Oh look. Another kid died from Faith Healing.

What a surprise.

Urinary tract blockage can be remedied without medicine - burdock root in your food and lots of water, easy on the salt - but the family believed that Jesus was on their side.

Oregon needs to catch up with the times, methinks.

i am a firm believer in beter living thru chemestry. a simple z-pak and a rubber mallot would clear that right up.

So, a simple change in diet is all it would have taken to save this child's life? I could conceive of, but not condone, withholding medal treatment in the name of religion, but how could they claim that changing his diet was sacrilegious? Did they have some prohibitions on certian foods, like pork, or dairy, or rutebegas or something?

They should at least be prosecuted for child neglect if all they needed to do was feed him something different, although I hope the manslaughter sticks. Religious freedom does not include the right to murder.

To be fair, the article doesn't say anything like that (in fact, it says that a catheter was needed). That seems to be added by the OP.

Murder?

There are no manslaughter charges. There won't be. The kid was over 14, and at that age in Oregon you're able to turn down medical treatment. That's what he did.

Wasn't the option to turn down medical treatment seen as an individual's rights idea? I don't know the details, but I think it stems from the whole Terry Schiavo and Dr. Kevorkian issues over the past decade. In which case I'm all for it.

Wait what? One of us is reading your quotes wrong.

From what I understand about my great home state, the quote says that "religious shields" can NOT be used as defense in Oregon. Despite having this law, no-one has been brought to court under it...until now.

In this case, Oregon is ahead of the times. The kid was over 16 and therefore allowed to make his own decisions. The fact that he chose to be ignorant is still his choice, and unfortunately one he won't have the chance to regret.

My major problem with these articles is how the parents can even attempt to protect themselves. Yes, yes, I understand the laws...I'm talking emotionally. Even if I tried everything in the world to protect my child from dying, I'd still hate myself for not being able to do more. Now if there was an obvious and easy way to help my child, and I didn't take it...I don't know how I could live with myself, let alone even try to defend my position to the public.

From the OP's original quote:

Did I misread something there?

English isn't my first language. I apologise for the misconstruing comment.

He's combining two different cases. The story here is the boy who died from urinary tract blockage, and who was old enough to turn down medical treatment. The "she" refers to a different case (bronchial pnemonia) from the same church (and cousin) as the boy who died.

There's a disconnect.
The main article is talking about a 16yr old kid who died after making a (stupid) choice not to go to the doctor. His parents are not being charged.

Carl and Raylene Worthington had a 15month old child that died from pnuemonia. Those two are being tried from manslaughter.

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH.........

NP.

Oregon protects children on multiple levels against "Faith Healing." For one, parents aren't allowed to use 'religion' as a reason to refuse treatment from a doctor. Doing so will get you prosecuted with manslaughter, and the Worthingtons (parents of the 15month child who died of pnuemonia) will be prosecuted as such.

Also, when you're 14 you can make your own medical decisions. This is another guard against Religious nuts and their children, allowing for 14+ to get contraceptives and medicine without parental approval (although, money may still be an issue, Oregon attempts to help there as well).

Unfortunately, the two laws together kind of back fired. Since the kid was over 14, he was allowed to make his own decisions. Unfortunately, he was stupid enough to believe in faith healing.


Faith healing reminds me of the joke:
So there's a guy in the ocean, no life preserver or anything, bobbing around in the water. A boat comes by, asks him if he needs help. "No, Jesus will save me."
Awhile longer, the guy is struggling having a hard time keeping his head above water, when another boat comes by. Again they ask him if he needs help. "No, Jesus will save me."
Now the guys almost drowning, struggling, swallowing more water than air. A third boat comes by, tries to save him, he refuses saying "Jesus will save me."
Guy drowns.

In heaven, Jesus waits. Guy "Why did you let me drown?"
Jesus: "Dude, I sent three boats out there to save you...what more did you want?"

moral of the story: Maybe Jesus gave us medicine, idiots!

Hold up what is your first language? because we have met several times and never has there been an issue with english.

He's lying.

Well when the good Lord calls there is nothing that can be done...

What attracts people to faith healing anyway?

Is it just that generations of people have been raised to believe in it, or are there new converts being drawn in every day by stories about some guy whose cancer inexplicably went into remission?

Yes

Ah, yeah, I guess it would be both.`

Well, there is some science to it. Basically, if you have positive emotions, you're immune system is stronger and this can definitely help over all longevity, as well as fight off many diseases and sicknesses.
The problem is, full out faith healers use this evidence to argue that faith healing works. Thats just not true...with the right medication and all that, this type of 'healing' might help things go through quicker, or give the person an extra year, but faith healing alone won't save people.

Also, a lot of it is reactionary to the previous generation. With more and more science, a lot of people are finding it hard to reconcile their faith with science, and as opposed to allowing their faith to transcend the Bible (the Bible moreso than other books) decide to forsake science and go to more extreme idiotologies (see, its funny because the word ideologies sounds the same). As such, we're getting people going to Faith Healing and "Intelligent Design" and all that.

There was a scientific study done on the power of prayer. 3 groups, those being prayed for but the patients didn't know this. Another group not being prayed for. And the last group being prayed for and knowing about it. These were all cardiac surgery patients, similiar procedures. The first two groups results for recovery were roughly the same. The last group(knowing about prayer) actually did not respond as well during discovery. Added stress was thought to be the cause.
Tragically this kid died and it wasn't neccesary . How do they explain this, that this kids believe in god wasn't strong enough. I call that horsecrap and the parents should be charged with manslaughter as well.

they have the freedom to do such, and i have the freedom to call them fucking morons because of it.

Arabic, actually.

Thats part of its purpose, yes.