But Joe Scarborough thinks this ad represents a partisan effort to "get down into the mud."
News flash, Joe: Just because a punch in the face hurts doesn't mean it was dirty. When John McCain said he'd commit troops to 100 years in Iraq, he was asking Mom to give him her best shot. She decked him, and you're practically in tears over it. Boo hoo. Toughen up, dude. Moms don't want their kids deployed in wars. It's just true.
Chuck Todd feels all squirmy in his chair about it, too:
I think it was a borderline shameless ad. Using a baby like that.
News flash, Chuck: All troops start as babies. Every one that gets sent belongs to someone. You don't like it? Take it up with the management.
This campaign won't have any shortage of shamelessness, borderline or otherwise. Here's hoping you two will drop your pearls for long enough to get concerned over... oh, I don't know... 100 years in Iraq, rather than the "use" of a baby.
Frankly, I don't think there are too many people out there who think Bush/Cheney/McCain's "use" for their babies is any less shameless.
start growing some vat-born-clone-soldiers! if were gonna be in it to win, were going to need to dis-associate ourselves from the horrors of war. Counting on the enlistment of the poor, desperate and hotheaded just isnt enough anymore!
attn_ho said:
well, its clear what needs to be done.
start growing some vat-born-clone-soldiers! if were gonna be in it to win, were going to need to dis-associate ourselves from the horrors of war. Counting on the enlistment of the poor, desperate and hotheaded just isnt enough anymore!
Yeah, but then we have to deal with clone madness, unless you have some ysalimiri in your backyard.[/NERD]
attn_ho said:
well, its clear what needs to be done.
start growing some vat-born-clone-soldiers! if were gonna be in it to win, were going to need to dis-associate ourselves from the horrors of war. Counting on the enlistment of the poor, desperate and hotheaded just isnt enough anymore!
just so we get this straight (as even the official starwars.com Database says so)
attn_ho said:
well, its clear what needs to be done.
start growing some vat-born-clone-soldiers! if were gonna be in it to win, were going to need to dis-associate ourselves from the horrors of war. Counting on the enlistment of the poor, desperate and hotheaded just isnt enough anymore!
Yeah, but then we have to deal with clone madness, unless you have some ysalimiri in your backyard.[/NERD]
only in the Expanded Universe. [/Expanded NERD]
oh, and only if you try growing them in less than a year.
attn_ho said:
well, its clear what needs to be done.
start growing some vat-born-clone-soldiers! if were gonna be in it to win, were going to need to dis-associate ourselves from the horrors of war. Counting on the enlistment of the poor, desperate and hotheaded just isnt enough anymore!
Yeah, but then we have to deal with clone madness, unless you have some ysalimiri in your backyard.[/NERD]
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a decade.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
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Is he talking about bosnia or something? Or maybe Afghanistan...because we are getting the shit kicked out of us in Afghanistan. I'm glad that Obama is setting the record straight in saying that Iraq caused us to focus our attention away from the war that really mattered against people that actually attacked us..
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
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i thought Operation Desert Storm went well.
Well obviously we didn't accomplish what we set out to do there and thats why we have are back and have been there almost 5 years now. -_-
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
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i thought Operation Desert Storm went well.
Well obviously we didn't accomplish what we set out to do there and thats why we have are back and have been there almost 5 years now. -_-
you mean we didn't make Saddam pull out of Kuwait? huh. guess the news media, the government, Kuwait, and veterans are all really dedicated to the lie.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
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i thought Operation Desert Storm went well.
Perhaps. I thought he was just confused.
it's ok. the current Iraq bit kinda pushes thoughts of Desert Storm to the background.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
we haven't done good in a 'war' for at least a half a century.
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i thought Operation Desert Storm went well.
Well obviously we didn't accomplish what we set out to do there and thats why we have are back and have been there almost 5 years now. -_-
you mean we didn't make Saddam pull out of Kuwait? huh. guess the news media, the government, Kuwait, and veterans are all really dedicated to the lie.
Wait a minute....Saddam is dead...The Iraqis have a new government...Things are relatively quiet in Iraq now...Why are we still there? Obviously we have to fufill all the cost plus contracts for KBR and Blackwater!
just for the record, the UN conducted the first Gulf War; the US was merely the chief provider of forces to the UN Coalition. the official mission of the UN Coalition was to remove Iraqi forces from their occupation of Kuwait, returning the country to its rightful government. nothing more.
many thought that removing Saddam from power after kicking his army out of Kuwait was the only real way to remove the threat to Kuwait, but that decision was not made. i do not doubt the Coalition and the UN would not have had too many troubles with doing so, but the agreement was made to not do so and was supported by all parties involved.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
And far more importantly, those wars are gone.
Show me another war like WWII (or even Afghanistan), and those sons and daughters will be right back in it.
atomicant said:
you know, there was a time in this country when families were proud to send their sons and daughters to war against an obvious threat to america and the way that we should be living.
sadly, those sons are mostly gone, and i would hazard to guess that all of those families are gone.
And far more importantly, those wars are gone.
Show me another war like WWII (or even Afghanistan), and those sons and daughters will be right back in it.
slacker_elite
Phoenix, AZ
January 2003
JUN 17, 2008 09:24 PM