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Argene

Argene

Pittsburgh, PA
June 2004

JUN 15, 2008 06:50 PM

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

JUN 15, 2008 07:01 PM

bald_eagle said:

A sheriff's helicopter responding to emergency calls from the area landed in a cow pasture at 10:19 p.m. carrying a Modesto police officer who shot the man to death after he refused an order to stop beating the child, Singh said.



Sounds like a clean shoot to me.



If someone was doing that to my kid, he'd be begging to be shot if I got hold of him before the cops did.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

JUN 15, 2008 07:02 PM

One innocent death, one... how to say this without being terribly crass... quick execution of justice? No matter what the child had done, nothing could deserve being beaten to death. Without more detail on what other methods to stop the man from beating the child were attempted, the police officer felt it was justified in shooting the man. There will be some sort of police review, but I'm guessing there isn't going to be much public outrage over the shooting death of a brutal child murderer.

Argene

Argene

Pittsburgh, PA
June 2004

JUN 15, 2008 07:04 PM

What disturbed me the most was that the child will have to be identified by DNA because he was so badly beaten. What sort of depraved person does that to a kid?

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

JUN 15, 2008 07:09 PM

"It's been a long night of wondering, 'Why?', not only for the officers and the passers-by who stopped and tried to help out, but for anyone. Why would somebody do this?" Singh said.



Even if you knew why, the answer probably wouldn't suffice.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

JUN 15, 2008 07:09 PM

Argene said:
What disturbed me the most was that the child will have to be identified by DNA because he was so badly beaten. What sort of depraved person does that to a kid?



There are disorders that cause blinding, uncontrollable rages. People using steroids and drugs like PCP are also know to have rages like that. Sometimes people are just fucking assholes and beat their kids for throwing food/formula/juice in their car. We'll never know.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

JUN 15, 2008 07:14 PM

I call it Justifiable Homicide.

Bill_the_Cat

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON
May 2005

JUN 15, 2008 07:20 PM

There are very few times that I would commend a cop (or anyone) for an act of violence. This is one of those times.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JUN 15, 2008 08:27 PM

wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

JUN 15, 2008 08:52 PM

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Who would convict you. Hell, I would buy you beer.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

JUN 15, 2008 08:55 PM

IDGAS said:

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Who would convict you. Hell, I would buy you beer.



Chief Wiggum: No jury in the world is going to convict a baby of murder...



Well... maybe Texas.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JUN 15, 2008 09:20 PM

RudieCantFail said:

IDGAS said:

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Who would convict you. Hell, I would buy you beer.



Chief Wiggum: No jury in the world is going to convict a baby of murder...



Well... maybe Texas.



but i'm not legally retarded.

tastycorpse666

tastycorpse666

Port Lavaca, TX
November 2006

JUN 15, 2008 09:27 PM

That is not the type of medal I would give someone for beating a child to death. wink

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 15, 2008 10:07 PM

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Is it really considered homicide when a cop shoots someone because they will not comply with orders to stop their criminal activity? I genuinely don't know.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JUN 15, 2008 10:19 PM

Thistle said:

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Is it really considered homicide when a cop shoots someone because they will not comply with orders to stop their criminal activity? I genuinely don't know.



if those who provide regulatory oversight on the actions of officers in the line of duty believe that the officer did everything within his or her ability to end the situation and protect the life of the victim in a non-violent, or at least non-lethal manner that could end the situation in a timely enough manner to have a chance at saving the victim, then no, it is not homicide. police officers are allowed to use deadly force if all other means of saving the life of the victim have either been tried or eliminated without a doubt as to them being unable to end the situation.

i believe the officer was in the right to shoot, as time spent seeking to incapacitate the offender most likely would have guaranteed the death of the toddler. i still feel it was the right choice despite the child still dying.

d20

d20

San Francisco, CA
September 2003

JUN 15, 2008 10:29 PM

mydogfarted said:

Argene said:
What disturbed me the most was that the child will have to be identified by DNA because he was so badly beaten. What sort of depraved person does that to a kid?



There are disorders that cause blinding, uncontrollable rages. People using steroids and drugs like PCP are also know to have rages like that. Sometimes people are just fucking assholes and beat their kids for throwing food/formula/juice in their car. We'll never know.



it happened in Modesto, which has a pretty bad meth problem.

that's pretty much the only thing i can think of other than having gone completely insane that would lead to a grown man killing a toddler.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

JUN 15, 2008 10:30 PM

scylis said:

Thistle said:

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Is it really considered homicide when a cop shoots someone because they will not comply with orders to stop their criminal activity? I genuinely don't know.



if those who provide regulatory oversight on the actions of officers in the line of duty believe that the officer did everything within his or her ability to end the situation and protect the life of the victim in a non-violent, or at least non-lethal manner that could end the situation in a timely enough manner to have a chance at saving the victim, then no, it is not homicide. police officers are allowed to use deadly force if all other means of saving the life of the victim have either been tried or eliminated without a doubt as to them being unable to end the situation.

i believe the officer was in the right to shoot, as time spent seeking to incapacitate the offender most likely would have guaranteed the death of the toddler. i still feel it was the right choice despite the child still dying.



Thanks for explaining.

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Palm Bay, FL
February 2003

JUN 15, 2008 10:54 PM

Not a happy ending. Can't be, with a dead child.

But it sounds like justice.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

JUN 16, 2008 12:14 AM

The only really sad part is that this prick didn't get to suffer like the child did.

MrGinger

MrGinger

San Rafael, CA
November 2003

JUN 16, 2008 05:08 AM

mydogfarted said:
The only really sad part is that this prick didn't get to suffer like the child did.



No. The sad part is the child's death and suffering.

Ascanius

Ascanius

USA
October 2006

JUN 16, 2008 06:14 AM

scylis said:

Thistle said:

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Is it really considered homicide when a cop shoots someone because they will not comply with orders to stop their criminal activity? I genuinely don't know.



if those who provide regulatory oversight on the actions of officers in the line of duty believe that the officer did everything within his or her ability to end the situation and protect the life of the victim in a non-violent, or at least non-lethal manner that could end the situation in a timely enough manner to have a chance at saving the victim, then no, it is not homicide. police officers are allowed to use deadly force if all other means of saving the life of the victim have either been tried or eliminated without a doubt as to them being unable to end the situation.

i believe the officer was in the right to shoot, as time spent seeking to incapacitate the offender most likely would have guaranteed the death of the toddler. i still feel it was the right choice despite the child still dying.



Just to pick a legal nit here, whenever one person kills another it is homicide. It must then be determined whether there is a legally valid justification or excuse for the homicide, and barring those whether the homicide is murder or manslaughter.

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

JUN 16, 2008 06:53 AM

mydogfarted said:
The only really sad part is that this prick didn't get to suffer like the child did.



Suffering does not justify more suffering, truthfully. In this situation, though, a great amount of suffering begat a very swift amount of suffering.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JUN 16, 2008 01:00 PM

Ascanius said:

scylis said:

Thistle said:

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Is it really considered homicide when a cop shoots someone because they will not comply with orders to stop their criminal activity? I genuinely don't know.



if those who provide regulatory oversight on the actions of officers in the line of duty believe that the officer did everything within his or her ability to end the situation and protect the life of the victim in a non-violent, or at least non-lethal manner that could end the situation in a timely enough manner to have a chance at saving the victim, then no, it is not homicide. police officers are allowed to use deadly force if all other means of saving the life of the victim have either been tried or eliminated without a doubt as to them being unable to end the situation.

i believe the officer was in the right to shoot, as time spent seeking to incapacitate the offender most likely would have guaranteed the death of the toddler. i still feel it was the right choice despite the child still dying.



Just to pick a legal nit here, whenever one person kills another it is homicide. It must then be determined whether there is a legally valid justification or excuse for the homicide, and barring those whether the homicide is murder or manslaughter.



shh... you're ruining my machinations.

(of course, there are those out there who wouldn't label the guy that did this as "human", too. i wonder what we'd have to call that, then? subhomicide? quasihomicide? sapiencide?)

commonman

commonman

USA
August 2003

JUN 16, 2008 01:13 PM

Police Kill Man Who Beat Child to Death

My opinion:

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

JUN 16, 2008 01:22 PM

scylis said:

Ascanius said:

scylis said:

Thistle said:

scylis said:
wow. yeah, that's a Justifiable Homicide, right there, i think.

i'd be willing to go to prison to stop something like that, even, myself. no problems whatsoever.



Is it really considered homicide when a cop shoots someone because they will not comply with orders to stop their criminal activity? I genuinely don't know.



if those who provide regulatory oversight on the actions of officers in the line of duty believe that the officer did everything within his or her ability to end the situation and protect the life of the victim in a non-violent, or at least non-lethal manner that could end the situation in a timely enough manner to have a chance at saving the victim, then no, it is not homicide. police officers are allowed to use deadly force if all other means of saving the life of the victim have either been tried or eliminated without a doubt as to them being unable to end the situation.

i believe the officer was in the right to shoot, as time spent seeking to incapacitate the offender most likely would have guaranteed the death of the toddler. i still feel it was the right choice despite the child still dying.



Just to pick a legal nit here, whenever one person kills another it is homicide. It must then be determined whether there is a legally valid justification or excuse for the homicide, and barring those whether the homicide is murder or manslaughter.



shh... you're ruining my machinations.

(of course, there are those out there who wouldn't label the guy that did this as "human", too. i wonder what we'd have to call that, then? subhomicide? quasihomicide? sapiencide?)



Vermicide.

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