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IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

MAY 22, 2008 08:36 PM

Budget Hero

Budget Hero seeks to provide a values- and fiscal-based lens for citizens to examine policy debates during this election year. Partisan messages tend to cloud the real issues at play during campaigns, and most candidates are loath to attach detailed financial impacts to solutions which make up their platform. Budget Hero provides an interactive experience involving policy options that have been extensively researched and vetted with non-partisan government and think tank experts to enable players to objectively evaluate candidates.


SPOILERS! (Click to view)

How many friends will this cost me?



strndniowa

strndniowa

Grimes, IA
May 2007

MAY 22, 2008 09:15 PM

You are elected President of the United States- and expected to make this work...but a good direction/idea at least...but you are now POTUS- you lose!!!!

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

MAY 22, 2008 09:49 PM

I like how there's no way to actually "win"

OhSoOrdinary

OhSoOrdinary

New York, NY
July 2006

MAY 22, 2008 11:20 PM

LSlice said:
I like how there's no way to actually "win"



zoom image

I did just fine.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 22, 2008 11:21 PM

Good find. That was fun*. I just wish they showed you all the badges to see how many you could achieve. It's pretty easy to meet all three goals and still get good scores, but it would be cool to be able to meet as many goals as possible.



*I have a weird definition of fun.

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

MAY 23, 2008 12:21 AM

OhSoOrdinary said:

LSlice said:
I like how there's no way to actually "win"



zoom image

I did just fine.



It never busted?

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

MAY 23, 2008 01:25 AM



I did fine as well.

It just requires common sense.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

MAY 23, 2008 01:53 AM


I decided that everyone was going to have to pay something, but the long-term planning and benefits definitely pay off. It's amazing to see how fast medical and social security benefits take off past 2018, it really puts things into perspective. I managed to invest in the country's future whilst reducing spending yet at same time maintaining the solvency of Social Security (albeit at a cost for future generations and that would include myself by slowing the benefit payments, probably an extremely unpopular idea unless you're already old). Also, I didn't really go hog wild on taxing either (unless you're one the wealthiest persons in America). Sorry folks, but I think a tax increase on gas is essential to hammer home the importance of switching to fuel efficient vehicles and conserving energy (it wasn't an option in Budget Hero, but if I could, I'd offer tax credits for alternative/energy efficient vehicles to help drive the market in that direction, ultimately a win-win situation).

I agree, it would be nice to see how many total badges we could earn.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

MAY 23, 2008 02:22 AM

Damn RudieCantFail, great minds think alike (or at least very similar)!

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

MAY 23, 2008 03:27 AM

FellOnEarth said:
Damn RudieCantFail, great minds think alike (or at least very similar)!



Hehe. I also opted for the gas tax. As you said I think it's essential to hammering home a point on fuel-efficiency, as well as to create funding for alternatives like mass transit.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

MAY 23, 2008 09:23 AM

I'm going to revisit the Budget Game and try to play the same cards but with differently focused badges to see how they stack up. It's interesting because you can actually do quite a bit with the right taxing and and shaving of overgrown spending (defense is out of control!).

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

MAY 23, 2008 09:26 AM

FellOnEarth said:
I'm going to revisit the Budget Game and try to play the same cards but with differently focused badges to see how they stack up. It's interesting because you can actually do quite a bit with the right taxing and and shaving of overgrown spending (defense is out of control!).



I did that. I got most of the badges with the same plans as the first time. I only got about 30% of National Security, though, because I cut out defense spending. But if you don't believe the hype, then it's really not something that's important.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

MAY 23, 2008 10:13 AM

LSlice said:

OhSoOrdinary said:

LSlice said:
I like how there's no way to actually "win"



I did just fine.



It never busted?



What browser are you using?

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 23, 2008 10:17 AM

FellOnEarth said:
I'm going to revisit the Budget Game and try to play the same cards but with differently focused badges to see how they stack up. It's interesting because you can actually do quite a bit with the right taxing and and shaving of overgrown spending (defense is out of control!).


Defense is pretty out of control, but also, it's interesting to note that repealing the Bush tax cuts and increasing taxes for the wealthy is pretty much the key to everything. That one step is unbelievably huge.

Rusty_metal_ass

Rusty_metal_ass

I'm lost
October 2006

MAY 23, 2008 10:25 AM

bean said:

FellOnEarth said:
I'm going to revisit the Budget Game and try to play the same cards but with differently focused badges to see how they stack up. It's interesting because you can actually do quite a bit with the right taxing and and shaving of overgrown spending (defense is out of control!).


Defense is pretty out of control, but also, it's interesting to note that repealing the Bush tax cuts and increasing taxes for the wealthy is pretty much the key to everything. That one step is unbelievably huge.


Robin Hood had it right.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

MAY 23, 2008 10:43 AM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

bean said:

FellOnEarth said:
I'm going to revisit the Budget Game and try to play the same cards but with differently focused badges to see how they stack up. It's interesting because you can actually do quite a bit with the right taxing and and shaving of overgrown spending (defense is out of control!).


Defense is pretty out of control, but also, it's interesting to note that repealing the Bush tax cuts and increasing taxes for the wealthy is pretty much the key to everything. That one step is unbelievably huge.


Robin Hood had it right.



I think that analogy is, at best, a bit shallow. I'm certainly believe the Bush Tax Cuts should be repealed and I'm not trying to defend the greedy, but the wealthy are still a part of society.

It's just a bit divisive, s'all I'm sayin'.

scylis

scylis

Anchorage, AK
November 2004

MAY 23, 2008 11:45 AM

_kungfoo_ said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

bean said:

FellOnEarth said:
I'm going to revisit the Budget Game and try to play the same cards but with differently focused badges to see how they stack up. It's interesting because you can actually do quite a bit with the right taxing and and shaving of overgrown spending (defense is out of control!).


Defense is pretty out of control, but also, it's interesting to note that repealing the Bush tax cuts and increasing taxes for the wealthy is pretty much the key to everything. That one step is unbelievably huge.


Robin Hood had it right.



I think that analogy is, at best, a bit shallow. I'm certainly believe the Bush Tax Cuts should be repealed and I'm not trying to defend the greedy, but the wealthy are still a part of society.

It's just a bit divisive, s'all I'm sayin'.



how about we tax everybody equally on income? like, their whole income? yes/no/maybe?

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

MAY 23, 2008 01:52 PM

One note about the game is it's based on the notion of 2-3 percent GDP growth every year. Of course, in reality, the taxes you levied and the programs you launched would surely have some effect on GDP. The last GDP growth figure was around .6 percent for the most recent quarter. Naturally, there's no way for the game to predict what the effects of various policies will be. To see how it would work, I tried a scenaro where I maximized taxes and cut everythiing possible. Although by the analysis of the game, I delayed the bust to past 2071, by 2028 the debt percentage indicator was at red alert. Yikes.

I would have liked to see some more radical options available, so we could compare. Like say, the US out of everywhere non-interventionist option, and see how much that would shrink defense.

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

Redding, CA
December 2005

MAY 23, 2008 02:18 PM

Raising taxes and severely cutting defense spending? Good luck running on that (or getting it done) in real life.

silversoul7

silversoul7

Portland, OR
January 2008

MAY 26, 2008 11:25 AM

LSlice said:
I like how there's no way to actually "win"



I did about as fine as OhSoOrdinary. Then, just for fun, I played a round where I said to myself, "What would Ron Paul do?" So I cut as much spending and taxes as possible, and failed miserably.

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

MAY 28, 2008 11:57 PM

Dallas Federal Reserve President ways in: http://www.dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2008/fs080528.cfm

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 29, 2008 12:00 AM

LSlice said:
Dallas Federal Reserve President ways in: http://www.dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2008/fs080528.cfm



Holy fuck, man, can you do us a favor and either describe your link more accurately or quote the relevant portion? That article is roughly three years long and doesn't, at first glance, have anything to do with the game.

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

MAY 29, 2008 10:37 AM

bean said:

LSlice said:
Dallas Federal Reserve President ways in: http://www.dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2008/fs080528.cfm



Holy fuck, man, can you do us a favor and either describe your link more accurately or quote the relevant portion? That article is roughly three years long and doesn't, at first glance, have anything to do with the game.



He's talking about the impending budget crisis.

LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

MAY 29, 2008 10:38 AM

He starts getting to his point here.




You might wonder why a central banker would be concerned with fiscal matters. Fiscal policy is, after all, the responsibility of the Congress, not the Federal Reserve.

OhSoOrdinary

OhSoOrdinary

New York, NY
July 2006

MAY 29, 2008 03:38 PM

LSlice. I give up on you. If you want you ideas to be better received, use the format that is generally accepted on the boards. Familiarize yourself with the insert scripts and use them properly. It's really not hard.

[/hands thrown up]