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UpTight

UpTight

United Kingdom
December 2003

MAY 13, 2008 02:59 AM

A partially reassuring interview in Jeffrey Goldberg's column in the Atlantic.

It's actually quite rare to see a politician that understands what Zionism is about and why Israel's security is so important. I don't think Condoleezza Rice does.

I suspected that Obama was secretly the kind of Liberal who truly expected Israel to commit hara kari in order to give yet more land to Arabs lead by terrorists.

Bearing in mind the politics of his former mentor Jeremiah Wright, I expected Obama to sympathize with that antisemitic piece of shit, Jimmy Carter.

Unless Obama is an exceptionally well-informed schmoozer (as the most successful politicians must be), or indulging in subtle word-play it appears my impression of him may be have been slightly wrong.

A few examples of where Obama gets it wrong, nearly gets it and totally gets it:

Nearly gets it:

JG: What do you make of Jimmy Carter's suggestion that Israel resembles an apartheid state?

BO: I strongly reject the characterization. Israel is a vibrant democracy, the only one in the Middle East, and there's no doubt that Israel and the Palestinians have tough issues to work out to get to the goal of two states living side by side in peace and security, but injecting a term like apartheid into the discussion doesn't advance that goal. It's emotionally loaded, historically inaccurate, and it's not what I believe.



Fine - except when creeps like David Duke and Jimmy Carter brand Israel an "apartheid state", they are engaging in loophole racism. They are using a modern day, political blood libel.

It's great that Obama condemned Carter's words, but I don't think he appreciates the loathsome mindset behind them

Doesn't quite get it:


JG: If you become President, will you denounce settlements publicly?

BO: What I will say is what I've said previously. Settlements at this juncture are not helpful. Look, my interest is in solving this problem not only for Israel but for the United States.



The issue of "settlements" is a complex one for people who don't share a spiritual bond with the Jewish Homeland. Settlers see themselves tending farms in territory which the Palestinians twice rejected. Land that remains unissued to any people or state, but which is morally and historically part of the native homeland of the Jewish people.

They are not the issue anyway. We're only talking about a few thousands settlers and their existence doesn't make a jot of difference to Hamas who want to kill all the Jews, regardless.

Islamists and Arab Nationalists regard all Jews in Israel as "settlers" and want rid of them, so worrying about a couple of ratty farms in Judea is beside the point. It is a distraction from the real issue.

The real barrier between Israel, Palestinians and peace are the armed, extremist Palestinian terrorist groups. They will remain the obstacle until someone disarms them and leaves the job of policing the Palestinians to he Palestinian official forces.

Totally gets it wrong:

JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America's reputation overseas?

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.



Eugh - nice choice of words, B.O. Again - place the blame where it should be placed - firmly in the lap of terrorists. Terrorists aren't caused by our foreign policy. They aren't caused by Israel's existence. Terrorists are caused by evil religious leaders that brainwash kids.

Totally gets it:

JEFFREY GOLDBERG: I'm curious to hear you talk about the Zionist idea. Do you believe that it has justice on its side?

BARACK OBAMA: You know, when I think about the Zionist idea, I think about how my feelings about Israel were shaped as a young man -- as a child, in fact. I had a camp counselor when I was in sixth grade who was Jewish-American but who had spent time in Israel, and during the course of this two-week camp he shared with me the idea of returning to a homeland and what that meant for people who had suffered from the Holocaust, and he talked about the idea of preserving a culture when a people had been uprooted with the view of eventually returning home. There was something so powerful and compelling for me, maybe because I was a kid who never entirely felt like he was rooted. That was part of my upbringing, to be traveling and always having a sense of values and culture but wanting a place. So that is my first memory of thinking about Israel.



and

JG: Do you think that justice is still on Israel's side?

BO: I think that the idea of a secure Jewish state is a fundamentally just idea, and a necessary idea, given not only world history but the active existence of anti-Semitism, the potential vulnerability that the Jewish people could still experience. I know that that there are those who would argue that in some ways America has become a safe refuge for the Jewish people, but if you've gone through the Holocaust, then that does not offer the same sense of confidence and security as the idea that the Jewish people can take care of themselves no matter what happens. That makes it a fundamentally just idea.

That does not mean that I would agree with every action of the state of Israel, because it's a government and it has politicians, and as a politician myself I am deeply mindful that we are imperfect creatures and don't always act with justice uppermost on our minds. But the fundamental premise of Israel and the need to preserve a Jewish state that is secure is, I think, a just idea and one that should be supported here in the United States and around the world.



excellent - some of the best statements I've seen from a Liberal

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAY 13, 2008 03:30 AM

UpTight said:
Eugh - nice choice of words, B.O. Again - place the blame where it should be placed - firmly in the lap of terrorists.



UpTight said:
Terrorists aren't caused by our foreign policy. They aren't caused by Israel's existence. Terrorists are caused by evil religious leaders that brainwash kids.


denying our own involvement in the creation and growth of terrorism is the most disgusting kind of self-delusional bullshit.

UpTight said:
I suspected that Obama was secretly the kind of Liberal who truly expected Israel to commit hara kari in order to give yet more land to Arabs lead by terrorists.


it's cute how you neatly skip over the fact that you're asking Palestinians to do the same for Israel. the simple fact is that in order to create the state of Israel--a just, necessary goal--we had to commit a number of questionable acts. and we had and continue to have to allow Israel to commit questionable acts in its own defense. to slap Palestinian fighters with the terrorist label is to ignore the complexity and moral uncertainty of the situation, and that deliberate ignorance is why charges of Zionism are leveled so frequently. not to say that they don't engage in terrorism, but you're not decrying their tactics--you're using their tactics as an excuse to ignore the reasons they feel driven to take action in the first place.

the galling, two-faced unfairness of the situation in the eyes of the Palestinians and other arab nations is a huge source (not the only source, possibly not even the main source, but still a large contributing factor) of the antisemitism in the region and in the world.

UpTight

UpTight

United Kingdom
December 2003

MAY 13, 2008 04:48 AM

motorfirebox said:

UpTight said:
I suspected that Obama was secretly the kind of Liberal who truly expected Israel to commit hara kari in order to give yet more land to Arabs lead by terrorists.


it's cute how you neatly skip over the fact that you're asking Palestinians to do the same for Israel.



Am I?

If the Palestinians stopped fighting they'd have peace and have a homeland. Maybe not 100% of what they want, but nothing comes without compromise.

If the Israelis stopped fighting there would be a bloodbath resulting in the destruction of the State of Israel.


the simple fact is that in order to create the state of Israel--a just, necessary goal--we had to commit a number of questionable acts.



Since over three quarters of "Palestine" had already been hived off to give to the Arabs, the British should have given the last piece to the Jews with no strings attached.

However. due to woeful British mismanagement and Arab allegiance to Hitler, the Jews had to fight more wars to get their homeland back. Questionable acts happen in all wars. Both sides commit them. Moaning about questionable acts in a conflict is like crying about the weather.

and we had and continue to have to allow Israel to commit questionable acts in its own defense.



IT ITS OWN DEFENSE

If I had a bunch of psychotics living next door to me and nobody was doing anything to help stop them, I can't guarantee what I'd do to keep my kids safe.

But I can tell you this - whatever I do, won't be tailored to fit the white guilt-ridden whims of pinheaded Liberals.

to slap Palestinian fighters with the terrorist label is to ignore the complexity and moral uncertainty of the situation,



fighters? you cunt.

to me that is as disgusting as calling pedophiles "the differently sexualised"

whitewash those fuckers all you like, but tell me:

since when does sneaking into a supermarket and detonating a bomb next to two 16 year old girls constitute fighting?

how exactly is a pizza restaurant a worthy adversary in a battle?

what risk do the palestinians face from the bars and discos that their brave noble fighters blow up

the galling, two-faced unfairness of the situation in the eyes of the Palestinians and other arab nations is a huge source (not the only source, possibly not even the main source, but still a large contributing factor) of the antisemitism in the region and in the world.



here's what's unfair - 96% of Bilad al Sham is given to Arabs

4% is given to Jews to share with Arabs

Arabs openly say they want to grab that last bit from the Jews

the world expects Israel to give the Arabs more land

when Israel does give Arabs more land they use it to launch rocket attacks at Israel, yet the liberals continue to lionise the Arab terrorists as "fighters" and piss and moan about Israel and blame it for antisemitism.

yuck

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

MAY 13, 2008 05:25 AM

You know, this is actually one of those post where the subject is more worthy of discussion than the poster.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAY 13, 2008 05:52 AM

UpTight said:
If the Palestinians stopped fighting they'd have peace and have a homeland. Maybe not 100% of what they want, but nothing comes without compromise.

If the Israelis stopped fighting there would be a bloodbath resulting in the destruction of the State of Israel.


one could say the same thing about the US during the 'War of Northern Aggression'. we could have had peace, just as the american indians and the aboriginal tribes of australia have peace. it is pigheaded and ridiculous to expect any people to stop fighting for their homeland, when we as a nation have the history that we have. not to mention how frequently we support such underdogs--when it suits us.

UpTight said:
Since over three quarters of "Palestine" had already been hived off to give to the Arabs, the British should have given the last piece to the Jews with no strings attached.

However. due to woeful British mismanagement and Arab allegiance to Hitler, the Jews had to fight more wars to get their homeland back. Questionable acts happen in all wars. Both sides commit them. Moaning about questionable acts in a conflict is like crying about the weather.


there's a difference between moaning and questioning. that's why they're called questionable acts, and not acts which should be moaned about.

UpTight said:
fighters? you cunt.

to me that is as disgusting as calling pedophiles "the differently sexualised"

whitewash those fuckers all you like, but tell me:

since when does sneaking into a supermarket and detonating a bomb next to two 16 year old girls constitute fighting?

how exactly is a pizza restaurant a worthy adversary in a battle?

what risk do the palestinians face from the bars and discos that their brave noble fighters blow up


'terrorist' is, these days, just as loaded a term as 'apartheid'. i choose not to use it in this case because i choose to not ignore and reject the reason these combatants continue to fight. that doesn't mean i approve of the terror tactics that they employ; it simply means that i am aware of how language shapes conversation. should i call you a cunt, now?

UpTight said:
here's what's unfair - 96% of Bilad al Sham is given to Arabs

4% is given to Jews to share with Arabs

Arabs openly say they want to grab that last bit from the Jews

the world expects Israel to give the Arabs more land

when Israel does give Arabs more land they use it to launch rocket attacks at Israel, yet the liberals continue to lionise the Arab terrorists as "fighters" and piss and moan about Israel and blame it for antisemitism.


yes, well, up until the middle of the 19th century, the US owned roughly a third of what would become its territory. we weren't satisfied with that, though--we wanted the whole shebang. nations and peoples aren't known for being satisfied with part-ownership of the territory they see as theirs. moaning about that fact is like moaning about the weather.

Israel is no more to blame for antisemitism than liberals are to blame for conservatism. the fact remains that when liberals are in power, conservatives complain more, and vice-versa. the only difference is that neither liberalism nor conservatism is inherently evil (despite what proponents of each would have you believe about the other). Israel's demise would not lower antisemitism. Israel's existence, however, does give antisemitics a target to focus on.

UpTight

UpTight

United Kingdom
December 2003

MAY 13, 2008 07:32 AM

motorfirebox said:it is pigheaded and ridiculous to expect any people to stop fighting for their homeland



It is pigheaded and ridiculous to expect Israel to give a state to these nice gentlemen:



I don't think it is ridiculous to imagine Israel giving the Palestinians most of what Fatah claim to want, but the Palestinians have to disband Islamic Jihad, the Al Asqa Martyrs Brigade & Hamas.

The Palestinians do not need terrorists to "fight for their homeland", they already have official forces. If you at all noticed the circular nature of attack-reprisal-attack, then all the Palestinians need to do is stop attacking.

What about Israel? Well take a look at Gaza.

Israel did an experiment. They withdrew settlers and their army and gave the Palestinians full autonomy over Gaza. It was a measure of trust, since the Palestinians did not disband any terrorist groups,.

But it was also a very public test bed. An opportunity for the Palestinians to show what they were made of. To show the world they could organise themselves peacefully, build a state and get on peacefully with Israel.

So how did they do?

On the 12th July as the withdrawal plan was about to get underway, Islamic Jihad defended the Palestinian people by killing two 16 year old girls, a 31 year old Russian woman and a 50 year old grandmother who were shopping in a Netanya mall.


Then, following a late August suicide attack on Beersheba and the Israeli's formal withdrawal on 12th September, the Palestinians let off their next suicide bomb on 26th October. No doubt the "fighter" concerned felt that the random patrons of Hadera's open market were a worthy adversary. His nail bomb killed 6 and wounded 55.

On the home front, the Palestinians celebrated their new found autonomy in Gaza by desecrating synagogues, looting and destroying the valuable agricultural intrastructure that the israelis had left for them, voting Hamas as their government and using the land Israel gave them to launch thousands of rocket attacks at Israel. They breached the border with Egypt, threw political opponents off the top of buildings and have generally turned Gaza into a Lord of the Flies scenario.

There two syllables that tell you everything you need to know about why unilateral Israeli gestures are futile: GA ZA

Of course Hamas have offered a Hudna - a "give us land now - die later" scheme. Their covenant still contains the immortal words:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews."



yeah - give them a fucking state

give me a forest of Jew trees to hide behind

should i call you a cunt, now?



I am not whitewashing terrorism.

The meaning of terrorism is not obscured. It is clear. Private groups or individuals who further their political aims by deliberately terrorizing civilians with bombs, gun attacks etc.

There's a clear distinction between terrorists, ordinary psychopaths, regular armies, militias and guerrillas.

Unlike terrorists, ordinary psychopaths are mentally ill and don't kill for a political cause.

Unlike terrorists, regular armies have levels of accountability, act on behalf of their country and come under the responsibility of international courts.

Unlike terrorists, militias aren't directly governed but often do the dirty work of political overlords. Their work however is not terrorism. It has different strategic aims.

Unlike terrorists Guerillas armed forces that engage with the armed forces of governments they want to overthrow.

It's true that some people emotionally throw in the term "terrorist" in order to attack opponents, but this doesn't change the meaning of the word.

When I emotionally call you a cunt, it doesn't mean you are literally a vagina. But Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Asqa Martyrs Brigade are *literally* terrorists.


yes, well, up until the middle of the 19th century, the US owned roughly a third of what would become its territory. we weren't satisfied with that, though--we wanted the whole shebang. nations and peoples aren't known for being satisfied with part-ownership of the territory they see as theirs. moaning about that fact is like moaning about the weather.



True - but it doesn't justify people unilaterally moaning about Israel. Why not moan at Jordan for a while? They got most of the land.

Israel is no more to blame for antisemitism than liberals are to blame for conservatism. the fact remains that when liberals are in power, conservatives complain more, and vice-versa. the only difference is that neither liberalism nor conservatism is inherently evil (despite what proponents of each would have you believe about the other). Israel's demise would not lower antisemitism. Israel's existence, however, does give antisemitics a target to focus on.



That's like someone saying a women's clothing inspired the rapist.

UpTight

UpTight

United Kingdom
December 2003

MAY 13, 2008 07:41 AM

Hooraydiation said:
You know, this is actually one of those post where the subject is more worthy of discussion than the poster.



That's how it should be.

Why do you mention it?

Wendy

Wendy

SUICIDEGIRL

Israel

MAY 13, 2008 09:04 AM

very nice, but didn't Obama say something along the lines of "supporting the Israeli government doesn't have to mean supporting Likud."

that just about did it for me.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

MAY 13, 2008 09:13 AM

Wendy said:
very nice, but didn't Obama say something along the lines of "supporting the Israeli government doesn't have to mean supporting Likud."

that just about did it for me.




"I think there is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt an unwavering pro-Likud ap-proach to Israel, then you're anti-Israel, and that can't be the measure of our friendship with Israel," leading Democratic presidential contender Illinois Senator Barack Obama said Sunday.

"If we cannot have an honest dialogue about how do we achieve these goals, then we're not going to make progress," he said.



It's a bit more nuanced than that, but if Likud is faultless (I don't know anything about Likud, so I can't say if unwavering support is warranted.) then I suppose the sense you got from what you heard would be retained.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 13, 2008 10:05 AM

UpTight said:
Totally gets it wrong:

JG: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America's reputation overseas?

BO: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.



Eugh - nice choice of words, B.O. Again - place the blame where it should be placed - firmly in the lap of terrorists. Terrorists aren't caused by our foreign policy. They aren't caused by Israel's existence. Terrorists are caused by evil religious leaders that brainwash kids.



I think cherrypicking the first sentence out of a three-paragraph response really kills your point. Here's some more from what he said after that:

The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

[...]I want to make sure that the people of Israel, when they kiss their kids and put them on that bus, feel at least no more existential dread than any parent does whenever their kids leave their sight. So that then becomes the question: is settlement policy conducive to relieving that over the long term, or is it just making the situation worse? That's the question that has to be asked.



Even if you end up disagreeing with him, it's disturbing that people don't even want to bring up the question. It's that sort of blind stubbornness, the unwillingness to even ask if the path you're on is the best way to reach your real goal, that defines the hubris of countless failed policies and military and political disasters throughout history, from ancient Rome to the Bush administration.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

MAY 13, 2008 02:27 PM

UpTight said:
I am not whitewashing terrorism.


no, you're blackwashing--if that's a word--anyone who doesn't unquestioningly support Israel's most hawkish tendencies and actions. i mean, you just called Jimmy Carter a white supremacist because he and David Duke used the same word. you ignore the part where Duke used it in a hilariously hypocritical condemnation of the entire state of Israel, and Carter used it to describe a specific action taken by Israel. David Duke believes in god, same as Mother Theresa did; that doesn't mean Mother Theresa deserves to be lumped in with the likes of David Duke. painting disparate political figures with the same brush to make your point serves only to drive people away from it. not to mention being blatantly false.

UpTight said:
That's like someone saying a women's clothing inspired the rapist.


cute, reductio ad rapeum--the new Godwin's Law.

UpTight said:
The Palestinians do not need terrorists to "fight for their homeland", they already have official forces. If you at all noticed the circular nature of attack-reprisal-attack, then all the Palestinians need to do is stop attacking.


you know, if that works, we could take that idea and apply it everywhere, thereby achieving world peace. people should just stop fighting. a fucking genius, is what you are.

the situation in Israel is complex, and shouldn't be painted in black and white. it is just as wrong--and just as damaging to any peace process based in reality--to proclaim that Israel shouldn't be questioned as it is to claim that Israel should be destroyed.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 13, 2008 04:24 PM

Oh, good, another useless, Jews are right, Palestinians are wrong thread.

This should go great.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAY 13, 2008 05:41 PM

motorfirebox said:

UpTight said:
I am not whitewashing terrorism.


no, you're blackwashing--if that's a word--anyone who doesn't unquestioningly support Israel's most hawkish tendencies and actions. i mean, you just called Jimmy Carter a white supremacist because he and David Duke used the same word. you ignore the part where Duke used it in a hilariously hypocritical condemnation of the entire state of Israel, and Carter used it to describe a specific action taken by Israel. David Duke believes in god, same as Mother Theresa did; that doesn't mean Mother Theresa deserves to be lumped in with the likes of David Duke. painting disparate political figures with the same brush to make your point serves only to drive people away from it. not to mention being blatantly false.

UpTight said:
That's like someone saying a women's clothing inspired the rapist.


cute, reductio ad rapeum--the new Godwin's Law.

UpTight said:
The Palestinians do not need terrorists to "fight for their homeland", they already have official forces. If you at all noticed the circular nature of attack-reprisal-attack, then all the Palestinians need to do is stop attacking.


you know, if that works, we could take that idea and apply it everywhere, thereby achieving world peace. people should just stop fighting. a fucking genius, is what you are.

the situation in Israel is complex, and shouldn't be painted in black and white. it is just as wrong--and just as damaging to any peace process based in reality--to proclaim that Israel shouldn't be questioned as it is to claim that Israel should be destroyed.



I applaud.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

Charleston, SC
August 2004

MAY 13, 2008 05:43 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Oh, good, another useless, Jews are right, Palestinians are terrorists thread.

This should go great.



Shiny_Metal_Ass

Shiny_Metal_Ass

I'm lost
October 2006

MAY 13, 2008 07:35 PM

I believe this thread was posted with the specific intent of being inflammatory. When one of the opening statements is

antisemitic piece of shit, Jimmy Carter



and degrades from there, I cannot see how this can be taken any other way. There are ways to present alternative points of view that can engender intelligent discussion and debate. This is not one of them. I can only conclude that the intent of the OP is to cause trouble, disrupt the discourse present on the boards, and some other personal satisfaction I cannot fathom. I believe this adequately expresses my intent and opinion without a TOS violation.

coyotemike

coyotemike

Tuvalu
May 2006

MAY 13, 2008 07:45 PM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:
I believe this thread was posted with the specific intent of being inflammatory. When one of the opening statements is

antisemitic piece of shit, Jimmy Carter



and degrades from there, I cannot see how this can be taken any other way. There are ways to present alternative points of view that can engender intelligent discussion and debate. This is not one of them. I can only conclude that the intent of the OP is to cause trouble, disrupt the discourse present on the boards, and some other personal satisfaction I cannot fathom. I believe this adequately expresses my intent and opinion without a TOS violation.



I think I know of a 5 letter word that sums all that up.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

MAY 13, 2008 07:46 PM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:
I believe this thread was posted with the specific intent of being inflammatory. When one of the opening statements is

antisemitic piece of shit, Jimmy Carter



and degrades from there, I cannot see how this can be taken any other way. There are ways to present alternative points of view that can engender intelligent discussion and debate. This is not one of them. I can only conclude that the intent of the OP is to cause trouble, disrupt the discourse present on the boards, and some other personal satisfaction I cannot fathom. I believe this adequately expresses my intent and opinion without a TOS violation.



quite.

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

MAY 13, 2008 08:03 PM

antisemitic piece of shit, Jimmy Carter


Wouldnt it be great if uptight could actually meet Jimmy Carter? Uptight would be all


YOU TWAT! YOU CUNT! YOU RARRRGRAARRR! ANTISEMITE! PIECE OF SHIT!



and Jimmy would politely challenge him to a duel, which he would totally win, sinces hes all buff from building houses for the poor and nuclear engineering, and peanut farming, and then uptight would be all

AAAAHH YOU SHOT ME! YOU VILE RACIST!



and Jimmy would be all,

Suh, we are only fighting with nerf weapons. its symbolic.



and thats what I think of this article.

Shiny_Metal_Ass

Shiny_Metal_Ass

I'm lost
October 2006

MAY 13, 2008 08:03 PM

attn_ho said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:
I believe this thread was posted with the specific intent of being inflammatory. When one of the opening statements is

antisemitic piece of shit, Jimmy Carter



and degrades from there, I cannot see how this can be taken any other way. There are ways to present alternative points of view that can engender intelligent discussion and debate. This is not one of them. I can only conclude that the intent of the OP is to cause trouble, disrupt the discourse present on the boards, and some other personal satisfaction I cannot fathom. I believe this adequately expresses my intent and opinion without a TOS violation.



quite.



Shit dude, yer gonna get me in truble.

atomicant

atomicant

Portland, OR
June 2003

MAY 13, 2008 08:08 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Oh, good, another useless, Jews are right, Palestinians are wrong thread.

This should go great.



thank god i'm a scientologist.

Shiny_Metal_Ass

Shiny_Metal_Ass

I'm lost
October 2006

MAY 13, 2008 08:10 PM

atomicant said:

FearTheReaper said:
Oh, good, another useless, Jews are right, Palestinians are wrong thread.

This should go great.



thank god i'm a scientologist.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

atomicant

atomicant

Portland, OR
June 2003

MAY 13, 2008 08:11 PM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:I can only conclude that the intent of the OP is to cause trouble, disrupt the discourse present on the boards, and some other personal satisfaction I cannot fathom.



how dare you sully the fine name of uptight! he's just so smart, and wants to enlighten us with his prodigious intelligence!

atomicant

atomicant

Portland, OR
June 2003

MAY 13, 2008 08:14 PM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

atomicant said:

FearTheReaper said:
Oh, good, another useless, Jews are right, Palestinians are wrong thread.

This should go great.



thank god i'm a scientologist.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!



totally. me and T. Cruise kick it weekly at the L. Ron Hubbard Enlightenment Center/ Intergalactic Titty bar.

don't ask, you have to be OT XII, minimum.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA
January 2006

MAY 13, 2008 08:16 PM

atomicant said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

atomicant said:

FearTheReaper said:
Oh, good, another useless, Jews are right, Palestinians are wrong thread.

This should go great.



thank god i'm a scientologist.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!



totally. me and T. Cruise kick it weekly at the L. Ron Hubbard Enlightenment Center/ Intergalactic Titty bar.

don't ask, you have to be OT XII, minimum.



Intergalactic titty bar you say?

Does the chick from Total Recall with the three knockers work there?

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

MAY 13, 2008 08:34 PM

I am just thankful that the TOS here protect statements like

antisemitic piece of shit, Jimmy Carter

while prohibiting the identification of TROLLS.

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