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ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

MAY 06, 2008 04:33 PM

MSNBC called NC for Obama.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 06, 2008 04:35 PM

Polls just closed in NC.

I screencapped this from CNN, lest they change their fucking headlines again (bastards)...


That was quick.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 04:36 PM

bean said:
Polls just closed in NC.

I screencapped this from CNN, lest they change their fucking headlines again (bastards)...


That was quick.



He completely crushed here, if that's the case.

AP just called it too.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

MAY 06, 2008 04:37 PM

FearTheReaper said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

crispy said:

FearTheReaper said:

crispy said:

FearTheReaper said:
This is not good.

CROSSOVER VOTING

Indiana's Democratic primary was open to all voters. About one in five said they were independents and one in 10 identified themselves as Republican.


I don't understand what possible logic is in play there.



What do you mean?


Why they would let registered Republicans vote in the Democratic primary.
That just makes no sense to me.

People registered as Independent, sure ... but Republicans?



Because they want to race to continue. They are mostly voting for Hillary, because she has basically already lost and is doing the job of the right wing on Obama. They don't have to spend any money on attack ads, they get tons of clips to pick from when they do make their ads.

It's all about extending the race and keeping doddering old man McCain out of the spotlight longer.


That doesn't explain why they're doing it, though, as I'm sure this decision was made long before they even knew who the candidates would be or how the road to the nomination(s) would be going.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the whole point of a Primary election is to allow that party's voters to select the candidate for the General Election.

Why would whoever makes the rules in Indiana allow Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary or vice versa? It goes against the whole concept of primary elections.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 04:39 PM

crispy said:

FearTheReaper said:
Because they want to race to continue. They are mostly voting for Hillary, because she has basically already lost and is doing the job of the right wing on Obama. They don't have to spend any money on attack ads, they get tons of clips to pick from when they do make their ads.

It's all about extending the race and keeping doddering old man McCain out of the spotlight longer


That doesn't explain why they're doing it, though, as I'm sure this decision was made long before they even knew who the candidates would be or how the road to the nomination(s) would be going.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the whole point of a Primary election is to allow that party's voters to select the candidate for the General Election.

Why would whoever makes the rules in Indiana allow Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary or vice versa? It goes against the whole concept of primary elections.



.

Well, a lot of states allow this. The idea being they want the candidate who can best win the general election and appeals to more people.

It makes sense to want Independents to vote, but I' don't get allowing Republicans to vote.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 06, 2008 04:40 PM

crispy said:
That doesn't explain why they're doing it, though, as I'm sure this decision was made long before they even knew who the candidates would be or how the road to the nomination(s) would be going.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the whole point of a Primary election is to allow that party's voters to select the candidate for the General Election.

Why would whoever makes the rules in Indiana allow Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary or vice versa? It goes against the whole concept of primary elections.


Read my comment immediately below the one you quoted.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

MAY 06, 2008 04:41 PM

Then, if you're a Republican and you want your guy to ultimately win, wouldn't you then vote for whoever you feel has the best chance to lose to your guy?

I dunno. Makes no sense to me.

[edit]
I read your comment, bean ... I still don't get it, though.
Just another in the long list of things I don't understand.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 06, 2008 04:46 PM

crispy said:
Then, if you're a Republican and you want your guy to ultimately win, wouldn't you then vote for whoever you feel has the best chance to lose to your guy?

I dunno. Makes no sense to me.

[edit]
I read your comment, bean ... I still don't get it, though.
Just another in the long list of things I don't understand.



The idea is that if someone cares enough about a candidate to totally cross party lines in an open election, than their vote should be taken into account. Because most of the time, both parties figure out a candidate around the same time. It's unusual for a contest to go this long on one side while having been decided for months on the other side, so this year is an anomaly.

In short, yes, it allows for exactly that sort of gaming, but it's not usually a concern since Republicans are usually too busy picking their own candidate, if there's still a race going on.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 04:49 PM

crispy said:
Then, if you're a Republican and you want your guy to ultimately win, wouldn't you then vote for whoever you feel has the best chance to lose to your guy?

.



Indeed. That's why they are voting for Clinton. Obama has massive crossover appeal and carries more independent voters.

Oh, and Hillary defended a child rapist.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

MAY 06, 2008 04:49 PM

That makes sense in a way, I suppose.
I still think it's weird, though.


wink

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAY 06, 2008 04:52 PM

Wow. Ron Paul is only getting 8% of votes in Indiana.

Disappointing.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

MAY 06, 2008 04:52 PM

Thanks alot Supreme Court and Indiana legislatures.

What a bunch of assholes.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 04:55 PM

Subrosa said:
Wow. Ron Paul is only getting 8% of votes in Indiana.

Disappointing.



It's a pretty brutal blow. As a Paultard, I am devastated.

Hunkpapa

Hunkpapa

United Kingdom
June 2004

MAY 06, 2008 04:57 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Subrosa said:
Wow. Ron Paul is only getting 8% of votes in Indiana.

Disappointing.



It's a pretty brutal blow. As a Paultard, I am devastated.



It's been a while since I heard anything of the good doctor.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAY 06, 2008 04:57 PM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:
Thanks alot Supreme Court and Indiana legislatures.

What a bunch of assholes.



Meh. They were likely gonna be Clinton voters anyway.

abbazappa

abbazappa

Sacramento, CA
June 2006

MAY 06, 2008 05:04 PM

McCain won from cross over voters so its not just evil Republicans with their vast right wing consperacy to all vote for Hillary. Both partys allow this but it just depeneds on the states party so its not like Republicans forced Democrats to have a open primary and last i heard Obama and Hillary are splitting the Republican vote.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 06, 2008 05:18 PM

Obama's doing better than expected in most of the counties that have reported results so far. If that trend continues, we may actually have a close race in IN.

A close race in IN and a blowout in NC means Obama gets the favorable headlines tomorrow morning, regardless of how IN ends up going.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 05:18 PM

CBS calls Indiana for Clinton.

boo.

bluevalentine

bluevalentine

San Antonio, TX
December 2003

MAY 06, 2008 05:22 PM

crispy said:

FearTheReaper said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

crispy said:

FearTheReaper said:

FearTheReaper said:
This is not good.

CROSSOVER VOTING

Indiana's Democratic primary was open to all voters. About one in five said they were independents and one in 10 identified themselves as Republican.




What do you mean?


Why they would let registered Republicans vote in the Democratic primary.
That just makes no sense to me.

People registered as Independent, sure ... but Republicans?



Because they want to race to continue. They are mostly voting for Hillary, because she has basically already lost and is doing the job of the right wing on Obama. They don't have to spend any money on attack ads, they get tons of clips to pick from when they do make their ads.

It's all about extending the race and keeping doddering old man McCain out of the spotlight longer.


That doesn't explain why they're doing it, though, as I'm sure this decision was made long before they even knew who the candidates would be or how the road to the nomination(s) would be going.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the whole point of a Primary election is to allow that party's voters to select the candidate for the General Election.

Why would whoever makes the rules in Indiana allow Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary or vice versa? It goes against the whole concept of primary elections.


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the source that was quoted said that 1 in 10 IDENTIFIED themselves as Republicans. that doesnt mean they are officially registered as republicans. Here in this state, we dont register affiliation with one party or another. While I IDENTIFY myself as a Dem, as far as voter registration goes, on election day, no one knows except me, G-d and my bank account that back and donate to the democratic party.

My thinking is that they don't have any sort of official affiliation either

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 05:26 PM

bluevalentine said:
the source that was quoted said that 1 in 10 IDENTIFIED themselves as Republicans. that doesnt mean they are officially registered as republicans. Here in this state, we dont register affiliation with one party or another. While I IDENTIFY myself as a Dem, as far as voter registration goes, on election day, no one knows except me, G-d and my bank account that back and donate to the democratic party.

My thinking is that they don't have any sort of official affiliation either



Well, they could have identified as an independent. I lean Democrat, but if asked would identify as an independent, so I don't really buy your argument.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

MAY 06, 2008 05:27 PM

63/35 Obama in NC with 11% reporting.

Sylvain

sylvain

I'm lost
October 2003

MAY 06, 2008 05:30 PM

FearTheReaper said:

bluevalentine said:
the source that was quoted said that 1 in 10 IDENTIFIED themselves as Republicans. that doesnt mean they are officially registered as republicans. Here in this state, we dont register affiliation with one party or another. While I IDENTIFY myself as a Dem, as far as voter registration goes, on election day, no one knows except me, G-d and my bank account that back and donate to the democratic party.

My thinking is that they don't have any sort of official affiliation either



Well, they could have identified as an independent. I lean Democrat, but if asked would identify as an independent, so I don't really buy your argument.



isn't it open so anyone can vote for anyone in indiana?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 05:30 PM

CBS has a lot on the line. No one else is calling it. Seems like they took a chance.

phrogg

phrogg

Greenville, SC
August 2005

MAY 06, 2008 05:31 PM

bald_eagle said:
Clinton's lead in Indiana has reduced to 10 points. The northwest counties will probably come in last, and heavily favor Obama. CBS may be premature.

*Crosses fingers*



I was wondering about Gary, Michigan City etc. This is good news. Other Obama territory seems to include Indianapolis and, of course, the University in Bloomington.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAY 06, 2008 05:31 PM

Sylvain said:

FearTheReaper said:

bluevalentine said:
the source that was quoted said that 1 in 10 IDENTIFIED themselves as Republicans. that doesnt mean they are officially registered as republicans. Here in this state, we dont register affiliation with one party or another. While I IDENTIFY myself as a Dem, as far as voter registration goes, on election day, no one knows except me, G-d and my bank account that back and donate to the democratic party.

My thinking is that they don't have any sort of official affiliation either



Well, they could have identified as an independent. I lean Democrat, but if asked would identify as an independent, so I don't really buy your argument.



isn't it open so anyone can vote for anyone in indiana?



Yes. We're just discussing exit polling.

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