The Chinese government aren't very good at hiding their intentions. Maybe it has something to do with the difference between how Eastern and Western minds work, but this latest move is so blatant it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
They're opening their own museum dedicated to Tibetan history.
Inside, curators will display antiquities, dynastic records and reproductions to demonstrate China's dominion over Tibet as far back as the 13th century. Many experts question China's historical claims, but few clouds of doubt are likely to darken the museum. Even the Dalai Lama is being edited out of the narrative.
Um, what?
"He will not appear after 1959," said Lian Xiangmin, a Chinese scholar involved in the museum, referring to the year the Tibetan spiritual leader fled to India after a failed uprising against Chinese rule. "This is a Tibet museum, and we don't recognize him as part of Tibet anymore."
This museum will tell the "official" version of history, regardless of facts, for the purpose of changing international minds about who is historically the proper ruler of Tibet.
Luckily, for those of us interested in the truth, anyone who deviates from the official Party line has their reputation ruined, their research confiscated, and are occasionally arrested.
"As scholars, the truth is what is most valuable to us," said Mr. Lian, head of research at the Tibetology center. "Everyone can have their own view of matters, but you have to have evidence to support your argument."
Evidence . . . . you mean something like the written history of Tibet, kept by monks for a few thousand years? That kind of evidence? Or the kind of evidence that comes out of Beijing's collective anal cavities?
Supposedly George Orwell was ill, disillusioned and dying when he wrote 1984. This view is supposed to explain why the novel is so unremittingly dark and has such a negative view of humanity.
I think China shows that Orwell was merely prescient, perhaps even optimistic. I also think the government of China read 1984 and thought it was a how-to manual.
Screw a museum, I wonder what their text books have been saying for awhile now? I can imagine that they've been edited up for over a generation or so by now.
GrayRains said:
Screw a museum, I wonder what their text books have been saying for awhile now? I can imagine that they've been edited up for over a generation or so by now.
Mao came to power in 1945 . . . that would be about the last time the textbooks weren't edited to protect the population from thinking.
GrayRains said:
Screw a museum, I wonder what their text books have been saying for awhile now? I can imagine that they've been edited up for over a generation or so by now.
Mao came to power in 1945 . . . that would be about the last time the textbooks weren't edited to protect the population from thinking.
I don't know how many textbooks there were before that. Not all that many.
(Small point of accuracy: 1949, not 1945.)
Official PRC position on the Tibet Autonomous Region:
Tibetans are Chinese. We appreciate most being members of the People's Republic and are proud to have finally shrugged off the yoke of a theocratic regime that had sought to unfairly divide the people of China. Despite hundreds of years of Chinese sovereign protection over the region, a religious cult of Buddhist monks attempted to control the Tibetan region of China during a turbulent period in Chinese history, much of that turbulence being brought about by European colonial powers interfering with Chinese autonomy and attempting to divide & weaken the Chinese people. It is quite fortuitous that the glorious & celebrated liberation has allowed the people of Tibetan China to join their fellow countrymen & women in working together for the greater good of all China. The information you hear in the news about Tibet is false and stories of unrest are fabricated by foreign media. Sadly, there are a few bad apples that threaten to spoil the bunch. These rotten apples are criminals who, with the aid of hostile, foreign governments, would seek to once again undermine Chinese autonomy and authority. China's response to dealing with these petty criminals is an internal matter and great care is taken to protect the innocent from falling victim of these radical terrorists.
Ok, not really, but it's probably not too far from the truth. Here are the official "White Papers" of Chinese governmental policies (including their position on Tibet).
GrayRains said:
Screw a museum, I wonder what their text books have been saying for awhile now? I can imagine that they've been edited up for over a generation or so by now.
Mao came to power in 1945 . . . that would be about the last time the textbooks weren't edited to protect the population from thinking.
I don't know how many textbooks there were before that. Not all that many.
(Small point of accuracy: 1949, not 1945.)
Inside, curators will display antiquities, dynastic records and reproductions to demonstrate China's dominion over Tibet as far back as the 13th century.
Gaah, I hate this specious horseshit.
Prior to the Chinese invasion in 1950, China and Tibet were under the same rule only twice: during the Yuan (1271-1368) and Qing (1644-1912) dynasties.
Problem is, those dynasties were the two periods when China was under foreign rule - the Yuan were the Mongols, the Qing the Manchus. During those periods China and Tibet were under the same rule, but it wasn't Han Chinese rule; the Han Chinese and the Tibetans were both subjects of the Mongols/Manchus, of whose empires China and Tibet were only a part.
Today China claims that the Mongols and Manchus - and their dynasties - were "Chinese," but this is arrant nonsense. Despite all Chinese claims to the contrary, Tibet was never a part of China until Mao's armies marched in and made it so. For China to insist that Tibet has "always been a part of China" is rather like India insisting that the United States has "always been a part of India" because both nations were once British colonies.
Sorry to get pedantic here, but as I said, this kind of shameless revisionism really riles my ass.
Inside, curators will display antiquities, dynastic records and reproductions to demonstrate China's dominion over Tibet as far back as the 13th century.
Gaah, I hate this specious horseshit.
Prior to the Chinese invasion in 1950, China and Tibet were under the same rule only twice: during the Yuan (1271-1368) and Qing (1644-1912) dynasties.
Problem is, those dynasties were the two periods when China was under foreign rule - the Yuan were the Mongols, the Qing the Manchus. During those periods China and Tibet were under the same rule, but it wasn't Han Chinese rule; the Han Chinese and the Tibetans were both subjects of the Mongols/Manchus, of whose empires China and Tibet were only a part.
Today China claims that the Mongols and Manchus - and their dynasties - were "Chinese," but this is arrant nonsense. Despite all Chinese claims to the contrary, Tibet was never a part of China until Mao's armies marched in and made it so. For China to insist that Tibet has "always been a part of China" is rather like India insisting that the United States has "always been a part of India" because both nations were once British colonies.
Sorry to get pedantic here, but as I said, this kind of shameless revisionism really riles my ass.
It always reminds me of the bumbling of the "Evil Soviet Plots" in movies from the 1980s. They're so easy to see through it's pathetic.
Mockingbird said:
I feel bad for the Chinese people as well as the Tibetans.
I was going to study abroad there but the fact that their internet get turned off frequently has made me second guess.
I agree. The Chinese people get screwed over by their government as much as anybody else. Like the people who got evicted with like a day's notice so their apartments could be torn down to make room for the Olympic complex
Chinese Urge Anti-West Boycott Over Tibet Stance
Over the last week, Ms. Zhu and her classmates have been channeling anger over anti-China protests during the tumultuous Olympic torch relay into a boycott campaign against French companies, blamed for their country's support of pro-Tibetan agitators. Some have also called for a boycott against American chains like McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken. Source
FYI signing up for the NYT is free and I have never been received emails from them
Power politics 101 lesson one; small countries on the boarder of larger countries should try to keep the larger nation happy.
Nepal Authorizes Deadly Force to Stop Olympic Torch Protests
KATMANDU, Nepal (AP) -- Nepalese soldiers and police guarding the slopes of Mount Everest are authorized to shoot to stop any protests during China's Olympic torch run to the summit, an official said Sunday.
The troops will first try to persuade protesters to leave and will arrest those who don't. If demonstrators defy all nonviolent means of restraint, troops have the option of using their weapons, such as in cases where a large group cannot be corralled. It was unclear if the protesters would have to attack or become violent before force was authorized. Emphasis mine the sourceThe New York Times
IDGAS said:
Power politics 101 lesson one; small countries on the boarder of larger countries should try to keep the larger nation happy.
Nepal Authorizes Deadly Force to Stop Olympic Torch Protests
KATMANDU, Nepal (AP) -- Nepalese soldiers and police guarding the slopes of Mount Everest are authorized to shoot to stop any protests during China's Olympic torch run to the summit, an official said Sunday.
The troops will first try to persuade protesters to leave and will arrest those who don't. If demonstrators defy all nonviolent means of restraint, troops have the option of using their weapons, such as in cases where a large group cannot be corralled. It was unclear if the protesters would have to attack or become violent before force was authorized. Emphasis mine the sourceThe New York Times
I just read the same story elsewhere, it's pretty sick. The Olympics is supposed to be about the spirit of international unity. Now it seems that the torch relay itself has become the antithesis of what it is supposed to represent. Any one killed to protect the "undying flame" is a travesty. The torch itself has already burned out many times, constantly needing to be rekindled from "backup flames". Metaphorically, the flame died out long ago... Come to think of it, wasn't it the Nazis who started the whole flame relay for propaganda reasons in the first place? Who says that the Olympics aren't supposed to be political? I don't think they'll have the balls, but I hope some countries boycott the Olympics this year.
True. The relay was supposed to be a symbol of Nazi idealogical. The actual flame concept comes from ancient Greece. They kept a flame burning during the duration of the games.
Something about Prometheus stealing the flame from the Gods or something... I like the Greek historical version then the modern spectacle that it is today...
You know if there are any deaths at the olympics due to seperatists or protests, do you think that will cause people to rethink this whole trade with china thing that we have going on?
Colinism said:
You know if there are any deaths at the olympics due to seperatists or protests, do you think that will cause people to rethink this whole trade with china thing that we have going on?
Nope.
If lead-painted toys and antifreeze-tainted toothpaste and deadly pet food can't make us rethink the most-favored-nation trade status with China, do you really think a few dead "liberal protesters" would?
Colinism said:
You know if there are any deaths at the olympics due to seperatists or protests, do you think that will cause people to rethink this whole trade with china thing that we have going on?
No. Americans really don't give a shit. I think we'd wipe monk's blood off a toy if our kids like it.
Colinism said:
You know if there are any deaths at the olympics due to seperatists or protests, do you think that will cause people to rethink this whole trade with china thing that we have going on?
Nope.
If lead-painted toys and antifreeze-tainted toothpaste and deadly pet food can't make us rethink the most-favored-nation trade status with China, do you really think a few dead "liberal protesters" would?
Or the complete lack of protection for intellectual property, prison manufacturing of export goods, contaminated heparainmore, an execution rate that gives Bush a hard-on and ....
No people want cheap goods and do not give a damn about the cost in lives or freedom as long as they can save money.
Below is part of the sophisticated process in manufacturing heparain
Coyotemike
USA
May 2006
APR 17, 2008 12:29 PM