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abbazappa

abbazappa

Sacramento, CA
June 2006

MAR 24, 2008 02:15 PM

hate to tell you but they have already made a half human half animal and it has excaped:

jermhawk

jermhawk

Tidioute, PA
December 2004

MAR 24, 2008 08:22 PM

OOOOOO splice my cock genes with that of a Clydesdale and its move over Ron Jeremy!!!!

johnnyvento

johnnyvento

San Diego, CA
November 2003

MAR 24, 2008 10:12 PM

UpTight said:
I have to be honest, human embryo research disturbs me. I'm not a religious nut, it just seems wrong to tinker with human lives in this way. It also has that cold, detached, mechanical eugenics feel to it.

Of course, I understand the potential benefits. I am not fully against research involving genes. I just feel funny about breeding humans specifically for research. I'm not against the use of stem cells in research, it's just about how they get them.

I'm sure I'd feel differently if a member of my family had Parkinson's. I'd feel differently about capital punishment if a member of my family had been murdered. Emotional responses don't make things right any more than they make things wrong. We all have opinions and, well, that's mine.

If human embryo research disturbs me, then THIS CREEPY FUCKING SHIT freaks me out.

In a move so arrogant, twisted and self-deifying that it could only have come out of the medical profession, British scientists are seeking legal sanction to grow human/animal crossbreed embryos.

Yes - you read it correctly. Doctors want to make half human/ half animal mutant embryos and the British government are backing them. Sick fuckers. Well intentioned sick fuckers, but still...

Of course, crossbreed, half human embryos are just step one. If this bill is passed, how long before scientists want their "creations" go to term and become viable life forms?

ew.....Seth Brundle is quivering in his grave(s)

Dr Mephisto's probably chuffed though.
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Do we even need to go further than this original post? UpTight has already established:


1- he uses religion as a metric for government action (read first paragraph)

2- he later acknowledges his complete hypocrisy about this action (read 3rd paragraph)

3- he doesn't understand the separation of church and state (read link; and first paragraph again)

4- he doesn't even understand the science he is criticizing (that is obvious) but yet we should feel COMPELLED by his PJ O'Rourke AVATAR that he is a SERIOUS person whose UNINFORMED VIEWS should be RESPECTED

This thread should have been ended within 3 or 4 posts.


attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

MAR 24, 2008 10:19 PM

watch out... he's evolving...

Concern Troll!

johnnyvento

johnnyvento

San Diego, CA
November 2003

MAR 24, 2008 10:24 PM

We can debate actual science, that is not a problem. But it's hard to get past the initial inconsistencies of the original post.

Science questions:

1- what defines an 'organism'?
2- can an 'organism' ever change over time?
3- what defines life?


start there, attn_ho, since you seem to want to referee the debate.


attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

MAR 24, 2008 10:28 PM

i was referring to uptight. sorry. hence, i was agreeing with you.


johnnyvento

johnnyvento

San Diego, CA
November 2003

MAR 24, 2008 10:35 PM

thread dynamics move too fast for this old man. Good to know you attn_ho wink

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

MAR 26, 2008 01:53 PM

coyotemike said:
They are not trying to create half human/half animal were-creatures.



Half vampire, half lycan and stronger than both!

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

MAR 26, 2008 02:15 PM

johnnyvento said:
3- he doesn't understand the separation of church and state



Although the UK is largely a secular state, it is not entirely accurate to apply the notion of separation of Church and State to our law making apparatus.

The House of Lords is comprised of not only the Lords Temporal but also the Lords Spiritual. Hence, the nation's bishops and archbishops theoretically have some influence within the apparatus by which we create our laws. However, the Lords Spiritual are very much outnumbered by the Lords Temporal and they don't tend to vote on laws anyway.

In addition to this the Queen as Sovereign Head of State is not only the head of government but also the head of the Church of England. As such the authority of Church and State are vested in one individual.

In practice, of course, the Queen has no real power and the power of the House of Lords is also somewhat limited. The real power these days lies with the House of Commons. Hence, although Church and State are not constitutionally separated, in practice the law making process is a largely secular one.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

MAR 26, 2008 02:31 PM

UpTight said:
Point 2.
I don't have to be acquainted with all the finer points of biotechnology to find the idea of a human/animal embryos deeply, deeply disturbing.



Indeed, a person may quite easily maintain strong feelings concerning a subject while being thoroughly ill-informed concerning that subject.

However, it is unclear to me why such an ill-informed opinion should be afforded anything more than the merest desultory consideration promptly followed by perfunctory dismissal.

UpTight said:
Point 3.
There IS NEWS HERE. This relates to the article I linked to. The British government is currently using political bullying to force MPs to pass a law sanctioning this creepy shit.



I was under the impression that Gordon Brown has now agreed to allow MPs a free vote on account of the threat of resignations from Roman Catholic frontbenchers.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

MAR 27, 2008 05:27 AM

I'd say that Frankenstein is the wrong reference for this; Dr. Moreau would probably be more appropriate.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

MAR 27, 2008 05:32 AM

mispost.

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Batavia, IL
January 2005

MAR 27, 2008 05:37 AM

Hooraydiation said:
I'm beginning to wonder if we're going to one day reach a point where, having found a way to keep people safe in every possible way and delay natural death for a ludicrous number of years, death becomes a necessity, and later a mandate.

But of course, I doubt that'll happen in the near future, if ever.



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