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OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 12:43 PM

here are some of the protests/arrests i've seen so far today:


Chicopee, MA (AP) -- Eight anti-war activists, including several senior citizens, face charges after Chicopee police say they blocked a gate at Westover Air Reserve Base.

The arrests early Wednesday come as protesters held rallies and vigils in Massachusetts and nationwide to mark the fifth anniversary of the start of the Iraq war.




HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- Five people were arrested Wednesday for blocking the front door of a federal courthouse during a protest to mark the fifth anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.



vigils in your area can be found moveon.org

MisterLinguist

MisterLinguist

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 12:47 PM

I told my mom that today was the 5th Year Anniversary, and she said, "what war?"

Outrage Fatigue.

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 12:47 PM



WASHINGTON (AP) -- Police arrested more than 30 people who blocked entrances at the Internal Revenue Service building Wednesday morning, part of a day of protests to mark the fifth anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Demonstrators converged in big cities like Miami and San Francisco, and smaller towns in Vermont and Ohio, among others, to add their voices to a call to end the war.

A marching band led protesters down the street near the National Mall and around the IRS building before about 100 gathered at the main entrance. As police began the arrests, some protesters shouted "This is a crime scene" and "You're arresting the wrong people."

source

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 12:49 PM

Shalome

Shalome

MODERATOR

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 19, 2008 12:50 PM

How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 12:58 PM

Shalome said:
How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



ouch blackeyed

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 12:59 PM

FondleMyBalzac said:
I told my mom that today was the 5th Year Anniversary, and she said, "what war?"

Outrage Fatigue.



maybe she was trying to be funny, by saying "which war?"

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 01:14 PM


GRAND RAPIDS -- Nearly 300 anti-war activists marched, drummed and chanted their way through the streets of downtown Saturday, calling for the end of the 5-year-old war in Iraq and dodging police cruisers trying to keep them on the sidewalk.

Along the way, two protesters were arrested and are awaiting arraignment on charges of willfully obstructing a public road.



source

MisterLinguist

MisterLinguist

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 01:28 PM

OneWithAll said:

FondleMyBalzac said:
I told my mom that today was the 5th Year Anniversary, and she said, "what war?"

Outrage Fatigue.



maybe she was trying to be funny, by saying "which war?"



Nope, sorry.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

MAR 19, 2008 01:36 PM

Shalome

Shalome

MODERATOR

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 19, 2008 01:45 PM

s5 said:



Heh.

I heard this story this morning about a book written by a reporter embedded with a Marine recon unit. Sgt. Rudy Reyes, who is part of the interview, has some very interesting things to say about the war.

As part of the unit often referred to as the 1st Suicide Battalion, [Reyes] traveled from the Kuwait border, to Baghdad, then north into the Sunni triangle. After that operation was complete, he returned to Fallujah, where he conducted reconnaissance and surveillance.

"Us Latin guys, we dressed as Pakistanis or contractors and we grew long hair ... it took me a long time to grow a beard. I had to just start with the goatee, cause I'm kind of a hairless Mexican," he said. "We would turn the tables in a matter of milliseconds, shoot and engage and kill in the street without any civilian casualties."



But as the war went on, and they found themselves killing civillians and not protecting other civillians (which was discussed a lot more in the radio interview with Sgt. Reyes, not so much in the print article)..

Reyes, who served twice in Iraq and once in Afghanistan, eventually opted to leave the Marines.

"I started hating the fact that we're not helping anybody over there ... I wanted to fight people and engage and kill people who are oppressing others, right? It's quite sobering when you look in the mirror and you're like, 'Oh I guess I'm kind of that person too.'"

Shiny_metal_ass

Shiny_metal_ass

I'm lost
October 2006

MAR 19, 2008 02:08 PM

Shalome said:
How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



Guess we should all stay at home and do nothing then, eh?

whatever

Shalome

Shalome

MODERATOR

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 19, 2008 02:16 PM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

Shalome said:
How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



Guess we should all stay at home and do nothing then, eh?

whatever



Did I say the only options were "march around with a silly sign" and "sit at home doing nothing?"

By all means, if it makes you feel better to walk around yelling and waving signs to "raise awareness" that we've been fighting a ridiculous war for 5 years, please, continue to do so. I just hope you're doing other things like writing elected officials and voting, too.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAR 19, 2008 02:20 PM

Shalome said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

Shalome said:
How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



Guess we should all stay at home and do nothing then, eh?

whatever



Did I say the only options were "march around with a silly sign" and "sit at home doing nothing?"

By all means, if it makes you feel better to walk around yelling and waving signs to "raise awareness" that we've been fighting a ridiculous war for 5 years, please, continue to do so. I just hope you're doing other things like writing elected officials and voting, too.


How's that "writing elected officials" thing going?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?

Shalome

Shalome

MODERATOR

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 19, 2008 02:24 PM

PointBlank said:

Shalome said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

Shalome said:
How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



Guess we should all stay at home and do nothing then, eh?

whatever



Did I say the only options were "march around with a silly sign" and "sit at home doing nothing?"

By all means, if it makes you feel better to walk around yelling and waving signs to "raise awareness" that we've been fighting a ridiculous war for 5 years, please, continue to do so. I just hope you're doing other things like writing elected officials and voting, too.


How's that "writing elected officials" thing going?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



Nope!

MisterLinguist

MisterLinguist

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

MAR 19, 2008 02:28 PM

Shalome said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

Shalome said:
How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



Guess we should all stay at home and do nothing then, eh?

whatever



Did I say the only options were "march around with a silly sign" and "sit at home doing nothing?"

By all means, if it makes you feel better to walk around yelling and waving signs to "raise awareness" that we've been fighting a ridiculous war for 5 years, please, continue to do so. I just hope you're doing other things like writing elected officials and voting, too.

Should we write to our senators and be vocal on media and news outlets?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAR 19, 2008 02:31 PM

ha!

I just think that protests might not have actually brought about the end of the war (clearly). But seeing massive amounts of people in the street especially when the war was extremely popular did give the backbone-less Democrats a visual cue that there were a TON of people against a fraudulent, needless war and forced them to swing away from simply "yes boss"-ing the administration which, in turn, helped them win an election.

I also think your post, shalome, was hinting that protesters just protest and wave signs, when in my experience, the people protesting (especially people in groups like IVAW) are the MOST politically active people, not the least.

Shalome

Shalome

MODERATOR

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 19, 2008 02:41 PM

PointBlank said:
ha!

I just think that protests might not have actually brought about the end of the war (clearly). But seeing massive amounts of people in the street especially when the war was extremely popular did give the backbone-less Democrats a visual cue that there were a TON of people against a fraudulent, needless war and forced them to swing away from simply "yes boss"-ing the administration which, in turn, helped them win an election.



Unfortunately, it has not seemed to give them the backbone to do anything but pay lip service to the idea that the war is unpopular.

Shiny_metal_ass

Shiny_metal_ass

I'm lost
October 2006

MAR 19, 2008 03:23 PM

Shalome said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:

Shalome said:
How's that protest thing working out for you?

Making any progress on stopping the war yet?



Guess we should all stay at home and do nothing then, eh?

whatever



Did I say the only options were "march around with a silly sign" and "sit at home doing nothing?"

By all means, if it makes you feel better to walk around yelling and waving signs to "raise awareness" that we've been fighting a ridiculous war for 5 years, please, continue to do so. I just hope you're doing other things like writing elected officials and voting, too.


Better be careful, you could get a nosebleed up on that high horse.

FormerlySid

FormerlySid

Providence, RI
June 2007

MAR 19, 2008 03:26 PM

So anyway, any hope in hell we'll ever get out of there no matter what we do? I am convinced that as long as the powerful make bundles of money out of war, it will continue. I am tired!

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAR 19, 2008 04:44 PM

InnocentSid said:
So anyway, any hope in hell we'll ever get out of there no matter what we do? I am convinced that as long as the powerful make bundles of money out of war and it doesn't come for them and theirs, it will continue. I am tired!



A slight addition.

And, no. It appears to me that having Iraq as a secure staging post for American power projection was an integral part of the plan from the off. I'm not seeing any American president back away from that. Certainly not a first-term president.

bald_eagle

bald_eagle

Indianapolis, IN
November 2006

MAR 19, 2008 05:20 PM

SockPuppet said:
It appears to me that having Iraq as a secure staging post for American power projection was an integral part of the plan from the off.



There was a plan? eeek

ShadowDrgn

ShadowDrgn

Boca Raton, FL
August 2006

MAR 19, 2008 05:47 PM

Heres what i know, which isnt alot, maybe we shouldnt have gone there in the first place, But we are there, and my best friend who's a Sgt in the army (reinlisted recently), who served in Iraq when this first all started, even says we cant just pack up and walk way from it now, more innocent people would die, and im sure there are still some dying now, but if we were to just pack up and leave it would fall into WORSE chaos than it is now, this is coming from a Sgt from the 3rd mechanized infantry who spent a year and a half (the first year in a half) knows we cant just pack up and go home and think everything will be alright.

i think personally its basicly saying weather we should have or shouldnt have is irrelevant, We need to stay and clean up our mess, it would be irresponsible to just pack up leave something we started.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAR 19, 2008 05:47 PM

bald_eagle said:

SockPuppet said:
It appears to me that having Iraq as a secure staging post for American power projection was an integral part of the plan from the off.



There was a plan? eeek



I think there were lots of plans. Most of the people who made those plans didn't talk to each other (or anyone else - that can happen when your plan is basically, um, "not going to get you into heaven"). But they all tried to get their plans carried through anyway.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAR 19, 2008 05:50 PM

ShadowDrgn said:
Heres what i know, which isnt alot, maybe we shouldnt have gone there in the first place, But we are there, and my best friend who's a Sgt in the army (reinlisted recently), who served in Iraq when this first all started, even says we cant just pack up and walk way from it now, more innocent people would die, and im sure there are still some dying now, but if we were to just pack up and leave it would fall into WORSE chaos than it is now, this is coming from a Sgt from the 3rd mechanized infantry who spent a year and a half (the first year in a half) knows we cant just pack up and go home and think everything will be alright.

i think personally its basicly saying weather we should have or shouldnt have is irrelevant, We need to stay and clean up our mess, it would be irresponsible to just pack up leave something we started.



The question is not whether we should stay. It's what will cause the least damage. To other people.

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