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FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

Los Angeles, CA

MAR 10, 2008 06:10 PM

The treatment of Omar Khadr is an example of the monsters we have become in our "War on Terror." Born in 1988 in Toronto, Khadr was raised by two, insane Muslim parents. They spent every moment preparing him for Jihad, telling him suicide bombers were the bestest of the best.



Omar's father always said he did not want to die in bed. He wanted to be killed. When his children were very young, he told them, "If you love me, pray that I will get martyred." Three times he asked Omar's older brother Abdurahman to become a suicide bomber. It would bring honor to the family, he said. Abdurahman declined. Later, when Ahmed sensed that Abdurahman's faith was weakening, he told him, "If you ever betray Islam, I will be the one to kill you."



Sounds like my old man -- except he made me play baseball.



When Omar was two, the family moved to Pakistan. In 1992, the family moved back to Canada for three years because Dad stepped on a land mine and needed to recover. Shit happens during a Jihad, yo. Omar's father raised money for Al Qaeda and sent Khadr to get formal military training before he was 12. He spent most of his formative years in Al Qaeda camps and even spent time with Osama bin Laden in Jalalabad.



When the US attacked Afghanistan, Omar was fighting with the Taliban. Well, sort of fighting. At 14, his job was to wash clothes and cook for the actual fighters. On July 27, 2002, Khadr was sent to the village of Ab Khail to translate for Taliban fighters at a gathering. American forces arrived and a firefight broke out.



Khadr was captured and charged with throwing a grenade that killed Sgt. Christopher Speer. The Pentagon said that Khadr was the only one who could have killed Speer, because he was the only person alive at that point. Of course, the Pentagon was lying.



However, a classified document, inadvertently released to reporters at the military prison by a Pentagon official Monday, provides a different eyewitness account of the events.



A U.S. soldier at the battle said in sworn testimony that two al-Qaeda fighters were alive after the fatal grenade attack.



The unidentified soldier says he killed the first al-Qaeda fighter before spotting Khadr, whom he said was wounded, on his knees and facing away from him. For reasons he does not go into, he says he shot him in the back twice.



Khadr was 15 on that day. Check him out in all his glory.







The shooting left him blind in one eye. And Khadr's fucked up life was only about to become a lot worse. Raised by animals, who filled his mind with poison and attempted to turn him into a killing machine, Khadr saw one way out.



"Kill me," he murmured, in fluent English. "Please, just kill me."



No can do. We have to torture you and make you go crazy. Khadr was patched up and sent to Guantanamo for some civilized American treatment.



In February, his U.S. lawyer told reporters the teenager had been used as a human mop to clean urine on the floor and had been beaten, threatened with rape and tied up for hours in painful positions at Guantanamo Bay.



How about a little more detail?



Many hours had passed since Omar had been taken from his cell. He urinated on himself and on the floor. The MPs returned, mocked him for a while and then poured pine-oil solvent all over his body. Without altering his chains, they began dragging him by his feet through the mixture of urine and pine oil. Because his body had been so tightened, the new motion racked it. The MPs swung him around and around, the piss and solvent washing up into his face. The idea was to use him as a human mop. When the MPs felt they'd successfully pretended to soak up the liquid with his body, they uncuffed him and carried him back to his cell. He was not allowed a change of clothes for two days.



In 2004, the U.S. called him an "enemy combatant" in a Summary of Evidence memo that was prepared for his Combatant Status Review Tribunal. A judge tossed the case out last year.



A judge at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, ruled June 4 that Omar Khadr's case could not go forward because a military tribunal had merely determined he was an "enemy combatant" and because the judge believed he could not make such a determination of "unlawful" status.



No problemo.



The new Court of Military Commission Review has ordered a military judge to reopen the terrorism case against a 20-year-old Canadian accused of killing a U.S. serviceman in Afghanistan, ruling that the judge's decision earlier this year to dismiss the case was in error.



In a 25-page opinion issued last night, a three-member panel of the court decided that judges in military commissions can determine whether terror suspects are "unlawful enemy combatants" and are therefore subject to trial



But just to make sure there are no further problems, Khadr is now an "unprivileged belligerent." "Unprivileged belligerents" apparently don't have the right to wage war.



I am constantly amazed at our retardation and incredible lack of humanity. I am, however, no longer amazed by our constant defying of our own laws and treaties.



In December 2002, the United States ratified a treaty that establishes 18 as the minimum age for any compulsory recruitment or participation in armed conflict. This treaty "the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of Children" obliges governments to assist in the demobilization and rehabilitation of former child soldiers, with a particular responsibility to rehabilitate child soldiers within its jurisdiction.



But he's 20 now, so I wouldn't expect any sympathy from anyone. He's a product of child abuse, raised by an insane family that tried to turn him into a suicide bomber. He is the reason many countries came together to create child soldier laws. But rather than being civilized, we have gone the other way. We have justified every lie Omar's parents ever told him. We have erased any doubt he may have had that America must be destroyed. And we have given up any right to condemn another country when they torture our soldiers during war. We are no different than the supposed enemy we fight.



Omar Khadr will have another hearing next week. Maybe we should ask him if he wants to continue to live like a rat, or if he would rather die. But, then, that would show a glimmer of humanity.

OneWithAll

OneWithAll

Charlton City, MA
October 2005

MAR 11, 2008 06:43 AM

i struggle to comprehend such hate and injustice, on both sides

i couldn't possibly comprehend the hate he must feel

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

MAR 11, 2008 06:45 AM

Pretty fucking incredible.

Let's see if Mr. POW McCain can split with the sadistic glee of the current administration to address the issue of Guantanamo and prisoner torture. skull

SnowgodCCR

SnowgodCCR

Derry, NH
November 2006

MAR 11, 2008 06:53 AM

In times of war, isn't it understood that people die? Since when do we prosecute individual soldiers for killing other soldiers? Even if the kid DID throw the grenade, isn't that kinda what you do during a war? And it's not like they're waging a war on us behind our backs...I think that if we declare war on terrorism, then we should kinda acknowledge the rules of war. But then we would be the good guys, and other people might stop hating us so much. Can't have that.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

MAR 11, 2008 06:54 AM

Vile.

Bloodied_Up

Bloodied_Up

Waltham, MA
May 2004

MAR 11, 2008 06:55 AM

this is fucking insane. i know we torture these people down in guantanimo bay, but it still surprises me every time how fucking ridiculous it is. how the fuck can someone treat another human being like this? if i ever used someone who was completely defenseless as a human mop i'd fucking stab myself in the neck. what happened to these troops down in Gitmo? what happened where they find this kind of behavior as acceptable? hopefully our next president, whomever it might be, will do something about this.

coyotemike

coyotemike

Tuvalu
May 2006

MAR 11, 2008 07:16 AM

America: Protecting the world from laundrymen, worldwide. Maybe the CIA thinks he found a list of attacks when he was scrubbing bin Ladens BVDs. He might have vital information! Better send stockula down there quick to waterboard him to find out Osama's inside leg measurement.

The Pentagon said that Khadr was the only one who could have killed Speer, because he was the only person alive at that point.



Great reasoning there, Gen'rul! Excuse me while I go puke.

CyberEdZ

CyberEdZ

United Kingdom
January 2005

MAR 11, 2008 07:21 AM

I feel ill all of a sudden. But thanks for continuing to post this sort of stuff, FTR - I'm betting I wouldn't hear about it from almost every other media source in the US...

elslowhand

elslowhand

Omaha, NE
February 2005

MAR 11, 2008 07:31 AM

Perhaps we should send members of Al Qaeda to Disneyland, or Six Flags, or something. Perhaps a parade in their honor on Main Street, USA. They should be rewarded for wanting to kill as many white devils as they can. There are far too many of us around anyway.

The current administration is full of assholes, and the President may well be the Antichrist, but Al Qaeda is the enemy. If you met Omar Khadr and apologized for the way he's been treated, he would much rather kill you than thank you.

Don't doubt that for a second.

He's been taught to hate and kill American's since birth. He was bred for murder. This is not a philosophy to respect, it is to be feared. These are the bad guys, we are not.

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

MAR 11, 2008 07:38 AM

elslowhand said:
If you met Omar Khadr and apologized for the way he's been treated, he would much rather kill you than thank you.


That has more to do with the fact that the way he's been treated is unforgivable than anything else.

Troll.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

MAR 11, 2008 07:42 AM

elslowhand said:
Perhaps we should send members of Al Qaeda to Disneyland, or Six Flags, or something. Perhaps a parade in their honor on Main Street, USA. They should be rewarded for wanting to kill as many white devils as they can. There are far too many of us around anyway.

The current administration is full of assholes, and the President may well be the Antichrist, but Al Qaeda is the enemy. If you met Omar Khadr and apologized for the way he's been treated, he would much rather kill you than thank you.

Don't doubt that for a second.

He's been taught to hate and kill American's since birth. He was bred for murder. This is not a philosophy to respect, it is to be feared. These are the bad guys, we are not.



Maybe I'm not properly terrified by a 14 year old Taliban errand boy, but I'm not quite sold on that whole "Let's throw everything that makes America a shining beacon of hope, freedom and liberty out the window otherwise those scary Islamofascists will murder us all" concept.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

MAR 11, 2008 07:44 AM

elslowhand said:
He's been taught to hate and kill American's since birth.



And Americans have done their damnedest to reinforce that. That's going to work.

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

MAR 11, 2008 07:47 AM

elslowhand said:
Perhaps we should send members of Al Qaeda to Disneyland, or Six Flags, or something. Perhaps a parade in their honor on Main Street, USA. They should be rewarded for wanting to kill as many white devils as they can. There are far too many of us around anyway.

The current administration is full of assholes, and the President may well be the Antichrist, but Al Qaeda is the enemy. If you met Omar Khadr and apologized for the way he's been treated, he would much rather kill you than thank you.

Don't doubt that for a second.

He's been taught to hate and kill American's since birth. He was bred for murder. This is not a philosophy to respect, it is to be feared. These are the bad guys, we are not.


I was wondering how long it would take for one of these posts to show up.

With regards to this...

These are the bad guys, we are not.


... the treatment described in the article more or less proves you wrong, in case you hadn't noticed.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

MAR 11, 2008 07:57 AM

What happens to him if we let him go? Are we then (rightfully) obligated to compensate him for his mistreatment and provide him with therapy?

AmbientLight

AmbientLight

Huntington Beach, CA
March 2005

MAR 11, 2008 08:21 AM

Through this show of moral superiority, we're sure to win friends and influence people. We are showing our enemies what a great and wonderful people we are. Through these displays of honor, compassion and justice... how can our enemies not want to through down their weapons and want to be our friends? And think of how heartened our allies are by examples like this... it must gratify them to know that they have sided with the good guys and that if we were to ever be at war with them (check our history... we've been at war with almost everyone at some point, including our current allies), they too can be assured they will receive the same humane treatment we showed this child.

This is democracy in action!

I'm so happy that I live in a country that has gutted our healthcare and education system, ripped away our civil liberties, allows our own people to go hungry and homeless... all to divert money into a war that truly demonstrates what a shining beacon of liberty and freedom we truly are.

Our tax dollars at work!


skull puke skull

OpticNerve

OpticNerve

Vancouver, BC
November 2003

MAR 11, 2008 08:30 AM

I think it is equally shameful that the Canadian government has done nothing to help this kid, who fits the criteria of a child soldier. We are fuckin' hypocrites.

DhD_No_Pants

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX
May 2006

MAR 11, 2008 08:33 AM

Uncognitive said:
Maybe I'm not properly terrified by a 14 year old Taliban errand boy, but I'm not quite sold on that whole "Let's throw everything that makes America a shining beacon of hope, freedom and liberty out the window otherwise those scary Islamofascists will murder us all" concept.



This is the point i can never get across to the die hard conservative repubs i happen across. I even tried to explain it like this:

If someone tries to kill me, I have the right to kill them. I do not have the right to put him in my basement and torture him for months or even years. The police would arrest me for doing that.

If someone just says they want to kill me, I don't have the right etc etc

If I hear someone else say that someone else might want to kill me or knows a person who said that they wanted to kill me, etc etc

People still didn't grasp it.

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

MAR 11, 2008 09:08 AM

elslowhand said:
The current administration is full of assholes, and the President may well be the Antichrist, but Al Qaeda is the enemy. If you met Omar Khadr and apologized for the way he's been treated, he would much rather kill you than thank you.

Don't doubt that for a second.

He's been taught to hate and kill American's since birth. He was bred for murder. This is not a philosophy to respect, it is to be feared. These are the bad guys, we are not.



Regardless, article 26 of the Geneva convention, our international agreement on how to treat prisoners of war, recognizes that


recognition of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,



and it declares there will be no physical, emotional or mental torture or coercion of prisoners of war.

If you can't accept this on legal or moral grounds, then even a troll should recognize the difference between a minor and an adult.

Summary of the UN Convention against torture

coyotemike

coyotemike

Tuvalu
May 2006

MAR 11, 2008 09:30 AM

elslowhand said:
Perhaps we should send members of Al Qaeda to Disneyland, or Six Flags, or something. Perhaps a parade in their honor on Main Street, USA. They should be rewarded for wanting to kill as many white devils as they can. There are far too many of us around anyway.



Or, perhaps, we should focus on finding actual high-level leaders, prosecuting them in a legal court, sentencing them to whatever sentence is decided, carrying out that sentence, and getting some closure. Instead of picking up confused teenagers who have been forced into battle by their families.


The current administration is full of assholes, and the President may well be the Antichrist, but Al Qaeda is the enemy. If you met Omar Khadr and apologized for the way he's been treated, he would much rather kill you than thank you.



Because, of course, the only way to react to a wrong is by a larger wrong. There's no chance he might take the moral high ground and walk away.


Don't doubt that for a second.



I'll quote trolls like you as much as I want, thank you very much.


He's been taught to hate and kill American's since birth. He was bred for murder. This is not a philosophy to respect, it is to be feared. These are the bad guys, we are not.



Did you miss the part where he was employed as a highly trained combat servant? He was fucking clothes. That might give you a clue as to his desire to enter actual combat. al Qaeda isn't a group to stop someone from fighting because of their age. If he had wanted to fight, he would have been given a gun, pointed in the direction of US soldiers, and been told not to expect to come back.

He was bred for murder.



Just like all Islamic kids, right? You make me sick.

willam9

willam9

Philadelphia, PA
January 2008

MAR 11, 2008 09:46 AM

SnowgodCCR said:
In times of war, isn't it understood that people die? Since when do we prosecute individual soldiers for killing other soldiers? Even if the kid DID throw the grenade, isn't that kinda what you do during a war? And it's not like they're waging a war on us behind our backs...I think that if we declare war on terrorism, then we should kinda acknowledge the rules of war. But then we would be the good guys, and other people might stop hating us so much. Can't have that.




we don't prosecute soldiers for killing soldiers. however, i believe the geneva convention defines a soldier as a combatant who wears a uniform fighting for an organized military structure as a part of a recognized government. al- qaeda and the taleban don't fall into these catgories, aren't recognized by any international treaty as made up of legitimate soldiers and are thus categorized as unlawful enemy combatants (not to endorse a bastardized bushism). they, therefore aren't protected under the "rules of war," formally or otherwise, and are subject to prosecution under many international laws.
that being said, i still think we need to take a hard look at what defines our humanity and us as a nation. mistreatment of a child who was indoctrinated into a terrorist organization is still mistreatment of a child and this will help to negatively color the world's view of modern america. thus, i don't think we need to "recognize the rules of war" since the organizations we are engaging don't do such; however, i think we need to recognize that the treatment of this child in guantanamo presents a real risk of pushing us one step closer to becoming the 'enemy' we are supposed to be fighting.

KushielsScion

KushielsScion

Gardendale, AL
May 2004

MAR 11, 2008 10:10 AM

You put your children on the battlefield and bad things are going to happen. They call it war. It's not different from any war in the history of man, and we should always be fighting on the enemy's terms and not some false belief that we must treat an enemy with mercy or dispassion.

coyotemike

coyotemike

Tuvalu
May 2006

MAR 11, 2008 10:13 AM

GunNut said:
You put your children on the battlefield and bad things are going to happen. They call it war. It's not different from any war in the history of man, and we should always be fighting on the enemy's terms and not some false belief that we must treat an enemy with mercy or dispassion.



We're supposed to be better than that. We're supposed to behave a certain way or else we're no better than those warlords who give guns to 10 year old kids and send them into battle.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

MAR 11, 2008 10:16 AM

Ok, take a step back for a minute and think about what I am about to say, this is not a justification for guantanimo or any of the treatment which is under law illegal under military and civil statutes of just about any country.

In any conflict the longer it goes on the more hardened both sides become and worse and worse atrocities become justified in the eyes of the combatants. Altho Iraq and Afghanistan are fairly recent Islamic terrorists have been staging attacks for decades and the US has been hit. Considering things like the Daniel Pearl killing and constant almost daily suicide bombings of civilians it's not actually that far of a stretch for people who have to deal with that sort of thing to no longer see the other side as being human anymore. I know we would all like to think that we would be able to always know right from wrong black from white, but it's not always the case, yes we are using tactics that are as deplorable as the ones the enemy uses. All of this did not all spring up in a vacume it was a progression to this point and as long as it's ok for people to be killed in the name of Allah it's going to be ok in the eyes of some to do equally deplorable things in the name of freedom.

Ask yourselves are we the monster, are they the monster or did we just end up creating each other?

willam9

willam9

Philadelphia, PA
January 2008

MAR 11, 2008 10:19 AM

GunNut said:
You put your children on the battlefield and bad things are going to happen. They call it war. It's not different from any war in the history of man, and we should always be fighting on the enemy's terms and not some false belief that we must treat an enemy with mercy or dispassion.



i agree, but a prison cell isn't a battlefield. his treatment occurred after he was disarmed and no longer a threat. if you put children into a war they will be killed, i know. but i think our greatest punishments should be reserved for those who put the children there, not the children themselves.

willam9

willam9

Philadelphia, PA
January 2008

MAR 11, 2008 10:21 AM

Colinism said:
Ok, take a step back for a minute and think about what I am about to say, this is not a justification for guantanimo or any of the treatment which is under law illegal under military and civil statutes of just about any country.

In any conflict the longer it goes on the more hardened both sides become and worse and worse atrocities become justified in the eyes of the combatants. Altho Iraq and Afghanistan are fairly recent Islamic terrorists have been staging attacks for decades and the US has been hit. Considering things like the Daniel Pearl killing and constant almost daily suicide bombings of civilians it's not actually that far of a stretch for people who have to deal with that sort of thing to no longer see the other side as being human anymore. I know we would all like to think that we would be able to always know right from wrong black from white, but it's not always the case, yes we are using tactics that are as deplorable as the ones the enemy uses. All of this did not all spring up in a vacume it was a progression to this point and as long as it's ok for people to be killed in the name of Allah it's going to be ok in the eyes of some to do equally deplorable things in the name of freedom.

Ask yourselves are we the monster, are they the monster or did we just end up creating each other?



interesting perspective, people don't often make the effort to thoroughly analyze that many aspects of such a complex issue.

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