The Internal Revenue Service is spending the money on letters to alert taxpayers to expect rebate checks as part of the economic stimulus plan.
The notices are going out this month to an estimated 130 million households who filed returns for the 2006 tax year, at a cost $41.8 million, IRS spokesman John Lipold confirmed.
That works out to about 32 cents to print, process and mail each letter. It doesn't include the tab for another round of mailings planned for those who didn't file tax returns last year but may still qualify for a rebate.
Meanwhile, Senator Chuck Schumer has one question: Why?
"There are countless better uses for $42 million than a self-congratulatory mailer that gives the president a pat on the back for an idea that wasn't even his," Sen. Charles Schumer said Friday, arguing the IRS could more effectively spend the money to catch tax cheats.
Don't worry about it, Chuck. It's not like we've got anything better to spend that money on.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
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DevilsReject
Cleveland, OH
February 2007
MAR 09, 2008 12:17 AM
Thistle said:
GAH. Keep my stupid check and the $42 million and spend it on veteran's hospitals or something.
No kidding. Maybe buy a new Dell for the local VA, so veterans can actually get their disability checks on time.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Is this a rebate? What is it a rebate on?
The funds are rebate on the taxes you will pay next year, they are a rebate on your 2008 tax return. Rather than give it to you next year, they are giving it to you now. Next year, after you file your taxes, the IRS will calculate what you should've gotten and adjust your return. So if you received too much "rebate," they let you keep it. If you received too little, they decrease what you owe next year.
This is just a cash advance against next year's tax refund.
Is this a rebate? What is it a rebate on?
The funds are rebate on the taxes you will pay next year, they are a rebate on your 2008 tax return. Rather than give it to you next year, they are giving it to you now. Next year, after you file your taxes, the IRS will calculate what you should've gotten and adjust your return. So if you received too much "rebate," they let you keep it. If you received too little, they decrease what you owe next year.
This is just a cash advance against next year's tax refund.
Well, why not. The past keeps screwing the future anyway, this is just a shorter term screw.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Well that's not right, you should definitely be charging youself interest
Can you just refuse to cash it, and tick the box 'no' come tax time? If enough people did it, it might get a point across.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Well that's not right, you should definitely be charging youself interest
Can you just refuse to cash it, and tick the box 'no' come tax time?
Even if people can do that, the chances of it happening are so highly unlikely as to not exist. First, the majority of people aren't going to do the research to find out what the reality is. Second, who doesn't cash a check from the government? And third, the majority of people have the foresight of a hummingbird for anything beyond their next meal, so why should they think ahead when they have cash now?
This whole thing is making me more depressed . . . moreso because I'll cash my check to: I have looked at my budget for the next year or so and I need it more now than I will next year
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Well that's not right, you should definitely be charging youself interest
Can you just refuse to cash it, and tick the box 'no' come tax time? If enough people did it, it might get a point across.
Why would you refuse it if you could spend a year making interest on it?
Well, let's be serious - how much is this cheque supposed to be? Maximum of $600 for single, $1200 for family? Invest that at the average current interest rate of jack shit, and you might end up with an extra $13 - $15 (assuming you get the maximum, doubled for the family). Wow. A possible $30. Or you can invest it in something a little riskier, in hopes of a higher return, and risk losing it all, since everyone knows that mutual funds and related products aren't meant to be a short term investment.
But this is all a moot point, because the people that would be getting the maximum amounts are the people that would more than likely need the money for day to day living, and wouldn't be able to invest it anyway.
I still fail to see why the President and the numerous Congressmen/women have been so self-congratulatory about this rebate. It's $600. For some people, that will maybe cover a month's worth of expenses. More than likely, it won't.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Is this a rebate? What is it a rebate on?
The funds are rebate on the taxes you will pay next year, they are a rebate on your 2008 tax return. Rather than give it to you next year, they are giving it to you now. Next year, after you file your taxes, the IRS will calculate what you should've gotten and adjust your return. So if you received too much "rebate," they let you keep it. If you received too little, they decrease what you owe next year.
This is just a cash advance against next year's tax refund.
If you read further, it points out that this is an additional rebate that will not adjust next year's tax refund at all.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Is this a rebate? What is it a rebate on?
The funds are rebate on the taxes you will pay next year, they are a rebate on your 2008 tax return. Rather than give it to you next year, they are giving it to you now. Next year, after you file your taxes, the IRS will calculate what you should've gotten and adjust your return. So if you received too much "rebate," they let you keep it. If you received too little, they decrease what you owe next year.
This is just a cash advance against next year's tax refund.
If you read further, it points out that this is an additional rebate that will not adjust next year's tax refund at all.
And that you do not have to pay it back.
Q. Will the payment I receive in 2008 reduce my 2008 refund or increase the amount I owe for 2008?
A. No, the stimulus payment will not reduce your refund or increase the amount you owe when you file your 2008 return.
publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Is this a rebate? What is it a rebate on?
The funds are rebate on the taxes you will pay next year, they are a rebate on your 2008 tax return. Rather than give it to you next year, they are giving it to you now. Next year, after you file your taxes, the IRS will calculate what you should've gotten and adjust your return. So if you received too much "rebate," they let you keep it. If you received too little, they decrease what you owe next year.
This is just a cash advance against next year's tax refund.
If you read further, it points out that this is an additional rebate that will not adjust next year's tax refund at all.
And that you do not have to pay it back.
Q. Will the payment I receive in 2008 reduce my 2008 refund or increase the amount I owe for 2008?
A. No, the stimulus payment will not reduce your refund or increase the amount you owe when you file your 2008 return.
It won't adjust what it would have been if the stimulus package hadn't passed. People who don't receive the check because of a bad address or because it gets lost in the mail won't have to check that box and thus, their refund will be higher than those who had received the funds.
So in a way, it does "reduce" the refund but not from what it would have been normally. I can understand why people keep calling it a loan on their '08 refunds but it's a silly way to think about it.
Having said all that, I can't help but wonder if this idiotic mailing of notices to taxpayers about the money they are going to get in June isn't a way to try to get them spending more now, keeping in mind the check that's coming. If that's the case, I understand the idea but it still makes me feel queasy.
I got my notice a couple of days ago. I thought that was bizarre, since it looked to me like I'm not actually going to get a rebate. (And it doesn't actually clarify matters. It's not a "you're going to get this much money", it's "we might send you some money".)
malkav11 said:
I got my notice a couple of days ago. I thought that was bizarre, since it looked to me like I'm not actually going to get a rebate. (And it doesn't actually clarify matters. It's not a "you're going to get this much money", it's "we might send you some money".)
Good point. As if there is anyone who somehow hadn't heard about it already.
The thing that really irked me about mine is that the edges you're supposed to tear off to open it didn't tear cleanly at all. Forty-two million dollars and they can't perforate properly? Jesus Christ.
vermicious_knid said: publicAnemone said:
Save the economy! Give everyone a rebate to make interest only payments for one month with!
The thing that pisses me off is that they aren't "giving you money back" from previous tax payments, they are taking it out of next year's refund. This amounts to little more than a pay day loan.
In 2009 you will have to check the box that will ask if you received the 2008 refund. You have to pay it back. It is a government forced, interest free loan (from yourself to yourself) which has to be paid back in 2009 after the rascals have left the White House.
Is this a rebate? What is it a rebate on?
The funds are rebate on the taxes you will pay next year, they are a rebate on your 2008 tax return. Rather than give it to you next year, they are giving it to you now. Next year, after you file your taxes, the IRS will calculate what you should've gotten and adjust your return. So if you received too much "rebate," they let you keep it. If you received too little, they decrease what you owe next year.
This is just a cash advance against next year's tax refund.
If you read further, it points out that this is an additional rebate that will not adjust next year's tax refund at all.
And that you do not have to pay it back.
Q. Will the payment I receive in 2008 reduce my 2008 refund or increase the amount I owe for 2008?
A. No, the stimulus payment will not reduce your refund or increase the amount you owe when you file your 2008 return.
It won't adjust what it would have been if the stimulus package hadn't passed. People who don't receive the check because of a bad address or because it gets lost in the mail won't have to check that box and thus, their refund will be higher than those who had received the funds.
So in a way, it does "reduce" the refund but not from what it would have been normally. I can understand why people keep calling it a loan on their '08 refunds but it's a silly way to think about it.
Having said all that, I can't help but wonder if this idiotic mailing of notices to taxpayers about the money they are going to get in June isn't a way to try to get them spending more now, keeping in mind the check that's coming. If that's the case, I understand the idea but it still makes me feel queasy.
OK, I'm glad we cleared that up, because, believe it or not, I did Google it, and actually read and correctly interpreted the information given. I'm actually pretty good at lookin shit up on teh intratubes.
gdarklighter
San Diego, CA
August 2005
MAR 08, 2008 11:16 AM