Ron Paul almost faces reality

bald_eagle said:
Is there any chance he will try to run as an independent? Maybe he would offset the six votes Nader will get.

coyotemike said:
Here's the actual video he sent. Kinda sad that such a powerful campaign has to be reduced to using youtube to get the word out.

Kindle said:

Even better, would you like me to go find all of the Ron Paul bulletins that I've gotten on MySpace? I think that's even lower than YouTube.

Subrosa said:
Wake up, Sheeple!

bald_eagle said:
Here's the part that makes me wonder:

Subrosa said:
Wake up, Sheeple!

coyotemike said:

Sorry, Kindle. You caught me mid-edit

What is the heirarchtical ranking of drama-inducing webcrap? Is myspace above or below facebook? And what about livejournal? Or personal blogs?

Of course, SG is at the top

Kindle said:

She lost me with her nasally voice and big 'ole earrings.

She should just stfu and try to look pretty. I couldn't finish it but the four minutes I did watch it I have no idea what her point was.

coyotemike said:

I think her point is, because people didn't agree with her, they must be easily led sheep who will take the "liberal media" and politicians at their word because it is too hard to think.

In otherwords, she's and idiot.

Kindle said:

Yeah, I gathered the idiot part.

phrogg said:

So, what's with the blood stained gauze around her right wrist? I guess she has been feeling kinda down.

coyotemike said:
his failure to win, well, anything

vermicious_knid said:

He just got elected to his eleventh Congressional term. He beat his opponent by a whopping 40% margin.

vermicious_knid said:

He just got elected to his eleventh Congressional term. He beat his opponent by a whopping 40% margin.

coyotemike said:

I apologize. I was speaking of his dismal failures in the primaries.

bald_eagle said:
Is there any chance he will try to run as an independent?

vermicious_knid said:

He didn't do that poorly. He finished decently in a couple of states and picked up around 40 total delegates. He outlasted the campaigns of Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney. There wasn't a single candidate on the republican side that he didn't finish higher than at least once in those primaries. His grassroots showed really strong de-centralized fund-raising prowess.

I don't think anyone other than the most delusional of his supporters expected him to win a national mandate. I can't really call the campaign a "dismal failure" as much as some people had dismally unrealistic expectations. He got his message out there, invited new people under the tent, and in the process an entire network for the liberty minded to coordinate within was developed.

He at the very least showed that around 7-12 percent of the republican party are not neo-cons, and that unless the GOP tones down the more offensive portions of their message and tries to include this segment of conservatives they will not have the ability to get national mandates. There will come a time where this is a "swing constituency."

Like it or not, his various Meetup groups have the potential to really be a major force in local elections. Some of those groups are well into the thousands <--- That is enough to get themselves elected to city councils, repeal legislation, defeat incumbents, get their own ordinances passed, and otherwise bring pressure to bear on government where they CAN be effective - locally not nationally.

If you get several hundred, or a thousand, people all on the same page and showing up to school board meetings, city hall, county commissions, etc... you get your way REALLLY fast.

vermicious_knid said:

He didn't do that poorly. He finished decently in a couple of states and picked up around 40 total delegates. He outlasted the campaigns of Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney. There wasn't a single candidate on the republican side that he didn't finish higher than at least once in those primaries. His grassroots showed really strong de-centralized fund-raising prowess.

I don't think anyone other than the most delusional of his supporters expected him to win a national mandate. I can't really call the campaign a "dismal failure" as much as some people had dismally unrealistic expectations. He got his message out there, invited new people under the tent, and in the process an entire network for the liberty minded to coordinate within was developed.

He at the very least showed that around 7-12 percent of the republican party are not neo-cons, and that unless the GOP tones down the more offensive portions of their message and tries to include this segment of conservatives they will not have the ability to get national mandates. There will come a time where this is a "swing constituency."

Like it or not, his various Meetup groups have the potential to really be a major force in local elections. Some of those groups are well into the thousands <--- That is enough to get themselves elected to city councils, repeal legislation, defeat incumbents, get their own ordinances passed, and otherwise bring pressure to bear on government where they CAN be effective - locally not nationally.

If you get several hundred, or a thousand, people all on the same page and showing up to school board meetings, city hall, county commissions, etc... you get your way REALLLY fast.

coyotemike said:

Which primaries were you watching? In all the ones I saw he was at or near the bottom of the pile. He only started doing better than people when they dropped out of the race but still had their names on the ballots.

abbazappa said:

For the primaries and caucuses he did good in he got 3rd in Alaska (most of his supporters also got signed up to be delegates, Second in Nevada, third in Kansas, third in Maine, second in Montana, third in North Dekota, third in Ohio, third in Utah, third in Virginia, third in Washington state, and third in Wisconsin. I would say that is very good for a unknowen canidate from the house of representatives that only polled around 10% nationaly.

He also has set up a large and active grassroots movement across the nation with his fiscial conservative and domestic libitarian policys which are motivated to run for local and state positions with in the party. He is also getting national attention when he fights with the Feds chair man. He might not have had a chance to win the nomination but he did succed in bringing his ideas out to the public, and pick up delegates and supporters to change party rules at the different conventions. You might not agree with his views but you should give credit where credit is due.