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Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004

MAR 02, 2008 09:23 PM

Suffolk, 03/01 - 03/02, Sample 400 LV, Clinton 52, Obama, 40 = Clinton +12.0

Reuters/CSpan/Zogby, 02/28 - 03/01, Sample 746 LV, Clinton 47, Obama 46 = Clinton +1.0

M-D/Plain Dealer, 02/27 - 02/29, Sample 625 LV, Clinton 47, Obama 43 = Clinton +4.0

Rasmussen, 02/28 - 02/28, Sample 851 LV, Clinton 47, Obama 45 = Clinton +2.0

FOX News, 02/26 - 02/28, Sample 600 LV, Clinton 46, Obama 38 = Clinton +8.0

RCP Average, 02/26 - 03/02, Clinton 47.8; Obama 42.4 = Clinton +5.4


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_democratic_primary-263.html

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Stiles

Stiles

New York, NY
November 2002

MAR 02, 2008 09:26 PM

IIRC, Obama was looking for a tie at best in Ohio and a win in Texas. Hillary has to pull off a big win in both states to remain relevant and stay in the game after 11 straight losses, and that isn't looking likely.

abbazappa

abbazappa

Los Osos, CA
June 2006

MAR 02, 2008 09:27 PM

Holden_Caulfield said:

Suffolk, 03/01 - 03/02, Sample 400 LV, Clinton, 52, Obama, 40 = Clinton +12.0

Reuters/CSpan/Zogby, 02/28 - 03/01, Sample 746 LV, Clinton, 47, Obama 46 = Clinton +1.0

M-D/Plain Dealer, 02/27 - 02/29, Sample 625 LV, Clinton 47, Obama 43 = Clinton +4.0

Rasmussen, 02/28 - 02/28, Sample 851 LV, Clinton 47, Obama 45 = Clinton +2.0

FOX News, 02/26 - 02/28, Sample 600 LV, Clinton 46, Obama, 38 = Clinton +8.0

RCP Average, 02/26 - 03/02, Clinton, 47.8; Obama,42.4 = Clinton +5.4


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_democratic_primary-263.html



Texas is going to be more intresting since either Obama or Clinton could be the "winner" in the straw poll but since Texas is a heavy republican state the democratic party award more delegates to areas that vote more heavily democrate so thye might get 5 or more delegates and other counties could get only 1 so its going to be a bit more tricky to figure out the real winner in Texas.

Holden_Caulfield

Holden_Caulfield

Ann Arbor, MI
April 2004
Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

MAR 02, 2008 09:38 PM

I am also unsure how "some really close numbers for Ohio" equates with "not looking good for Obama in Ohio."

The OSU buzz seems to be very pro-Obama, and if numbers elsewhere hold true for Ohio (high numbers of student voters, etc.) then he may end up being just fine here. Which he more or less will be no matter what. There will be no crushing defeat from the hands of the Clinton campaign.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

MAR 02, 2008 09:47 PM

Hmmm, looks like the uncivil war may continue past next Tuesday.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

MAR 02, 2008 09:48 PM

my prediction?

It's going to be a very, very tight race here. I don't think anyone will be able to make the call correctly on who is going to win it. Ohio has a population of around 11.5 million people, granted all of them can't vote, but any staw poll of 600-1000 or so people, isn't going to give any evidence in who is going to win IMO.

magpieboy

magpieboy

Seattle, WA
June 2004

MAR 02, 2008 10:17 PM

DevilsReject said:
my prediction?

It's going to be a very, very tight race here. I don't think anyone will be able to make the call correctly on who is going to win it. Ohio has a population of around 11.5 million people, granted all of them can't vote, but any staw poll of 600-1000 or so people, isn't going to give any evidence in who is going to win IMO.



I CALL FOR OBAMA.

50:50, right?

You're gonna owe me, DR.

(Someone guess Clinton, now, and we got him in a tight spot.)

_panda_

_panda_

I'm lost
November 2005

MAR 02, 2008 10:17 PM

you title should read "get out and vote for obama in ohio" - if that is what you want.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

MAR 02, 2008 10:33 PM

meatbat said:

DevilsReject said:
my prediction?

It's going to be a very, very tight race here. I don't think anyone will be able to make the call correctly on who is going to win it. Ohio has a population of around 11.5 million people, granted all of them can't vote, but any staw poll of 600-1000 or so people, isn't going to give any evidence in who is going to win IMO.



I CALL FOR OBAMA.

50:50, right?

You're gonna owe me, DR.

(Someone guess Clinton, now, and we got him in a tight spot.)



I predict Ron Paul will make his come back in Ohio.

beat that!

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

MAR 02, 2008 10:43 PM

A close victory is a win for Obama. Hillary needs to crush him to stay in the race.

She's doomed.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

MAR 02, 2008 10:57 PM

FearTheReaper said:
A close victory is a win for Obama. Hillary needs to crush him to stay in the race.

She's doomed.



i'd still like to see him win though.

minimalism

minimalism

Garwood, NJ
OLD SKOOL

MAR 02, 2008 11:53 PM

Well, I would have said that, FTR, but you did first.

scylis

scylis

Anchorage, AK
November 2004

MAR 03, 2008 12:13 AM

DevilsReject said:

meatbat said:

DevilsReject said:
my prediction?

It's going to be a very, very tight race here. I don't think anyone will be able to make the call correctly on who is going to win it. Ohio has a population of around 11.5 million people, granted all of them can't vote, but any staw poll of 600-1000 or so people, isn't going to give any evidence in who is going to win IMO.



I CALL FOR OBAMA.

50:50, right?

You're gonna owe me, DR.

(Someone guess Clinton, now, and we got him in a tight spot.)



I predict Ron Paul will make his come back in Ohio.

beat that!



GORE '08!!

wait, what?

abbazappa

abbazappa

Los Osos, CA
June 2006

MAR 03, 2008 12:38 AM

I am going to go out on a limb and say Hillary will sneak by with a win. SInce most Republicans think McCain has already won they will be more likly to vote in the Democratic Primarys. I know the trend has been for Republicans to vote for Obama but i think the die hard Republicans will see this as a chance to push for a brokered convention for the Democrats and they need Hillary to stay in the race. Not saying i agree with it but it is a good possability.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

MAR 03, 2008 01:04 AM

Egads!!! The suspense is killing me. I just wish mediocre Tuesday 2.0 would be done already. It's quite unbelievable how Obama is having to defend himself on two fronts during this primary campaign (from both Clinton & McCain). Damned if he isn't doing it well though... Damned if he doesn't win... :I

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

MAR 03, 2008 02:10 AM

abbazappa said:
I am going to go out on a limb and say Hillary will sneak by with a win. SInce most Republicans think McCain has already won they will be more likly to vote in the Democratic Primarys. I know the trend has been for Republicans to vote for Obama but i think the die hard Republicans will see this as a chance to push for a brokered convention for the Democrats and they need Hillary to stay in the race. Not saying i agree with it but it is a good possability.



See above.

UpTight

UpTight

Palestine
December 2003

MAR 03, 2008 02:54 AM

"The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
He's all together as naked as the day that he was born.

The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
It's all together the very least the King has ever worn.

All the courts positioned to call an intermission.
His majesty is wide open to ridicule and scorn.

The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
He's all together as naked as the day that he was born."

from The King's New Clothes by Burl Ives

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

MAR 03, 2008 02:56 AM

durrrrrrrrr i can type too

Volkov

Volkov

Austin, TX
OLD SKOOL

MAR 03, 2008 04:19 AM

abbazappa said:
I am going to go out on a limb and say Hillary will sneak by with a win. SInce most Republicans think McCain has already won they will be more likly to vote in the Democratic Primarys. I know the trend has been for Republicans to vote for Obama but i think the die hard Republicans will see this as a chance to push for a brokered convention for the Democrats and they need Hillary to stay in the race. Not saying i agree with it but it is a good possability.



yup. I know several Republicans that are going to vote for Hillary in the open primary because they don't think that she can beat John McCain and McCain seems to have wrapped up the nomination on his end. I also know several moderate Republicans who are voting for Obama in the primary because they figure that they can accept whomever wins between Obama and McCain in the general election.

mad mad political world.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

MAR 03, 2008 06:46 AM

FearTheReaper said:
A close victory is a win for Obama. Hillary needs to crush him to stay in the race.

She's doomed.



If Clinton wins in Ohio, even by a hair, it gives her campaign more ammunition to flog its last-ditch effort to convince superdelegates to give Clinton the nomination even if Obama gets more pledged delegates.

The narrative the Clinton campaign is trying to create is this, roughly:

"Obama's winning in states that will never go Democratic in a winner-take-all national election. Clinton has more support amongst voters who consider themselves Democrats, while the independents and Republicans who are voting for Obama in open primaries and caucuses will go for McCain in the general. Clinton has won in the states that are actually going to matter in the national election, like Florida, Ohio, New Jersey, California, New York and Michigan. Since the whole purpose of the superdelegates is to pick the best candidate and not simply echo the pledged delegates, they should nominate Clinton, especially if Obama doesn't lock up the nomination."

Of course, this strategy would at best wind up gift-wrapping the presidency for John McCain, and at worst fracture the Democratic party into electoral irrelevance for the next decade, but hey, why let that stop Clinton's ambition?

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

MAR 03, 2008 07:14 AM

Obama/Carcetti 2008

Ascanius

Ascanius

South Royalton, VT
October 2006

MAR 03, 2008 07:54 AM

UpTight said:
"The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
He's all together as naked as the day that he was born.

The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
It's all together the very least the King has ever worn.

All the courts positioned to call an intermission.
His majesty is wide open to ridicule and scorn.

The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
He's all together as naked as the day that he was born."

from The King's New Clothes by Burl Ives



Oh don't you go dragging Burl Ives into this. surreal

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

MAR 03, 2008 07:55 AM

To be fair, nothing looks good in Ohio.

Bastardo

Bastardo

Boston, MA
January 2005

MAR 03, 2008 08:34 AM

PointBlank said:
Obama/Carcetti 2008



McNulty/Freamon 2012

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