Id rather be Waterboarded!

What a wonderful country we live in! The economy is so good that sales managers are waterboarding their salesmen as a motivational technique.

what kind of boss would do this? how did these employees get to this point, where theyre holding down one of their fellow coworkers underwater? apparently its one of those slippery slope deals.

wow. amazing work environment. to me, this is the money quote

This guy should win like a billion dollars, right? he should never have to make another sales call in his life, right? well, maybe not. Since our attorney general thinks waterboarding is clearly not illegal then maye employers DO have the right to waterboard their staff.

God, I love the American Empire.



attn_ho thought he giggled all throughout writing this topic. later, though, it seemed more like screaming.

How do you not hospitalize someone that does that to you?

i dunno, i can think of some car salesmen i'd like to waterboard.

I can't believe that they actually used this as a motivational technique, why not just lop some fingers off and say "See how bad he is screaming because he lost his fingers? Thats how hard i want you to work on making some sales"

what an almighty tool.

Hey man, sales is a rough game, and I dont have the personality for it.

This is disturbing indeed. If waterboarding itself isn't illegal then it looks like it'll come down to proving wether or not it was voluntary. Can anyone confirm if it is indeed against the law to waterboard voluntary or not?

Briefly playing the devil's advocate here, this strikes me as interesting.

Wrongful termination means he was fired. What was he fired for? Is he exagerating to get back at his bosses?

I'm more inclined to believe the poor guy and it's pretty obvious his supervisor was an ass, but I'm suspicious whenever money is involved.

Another note.

That seems suspicious too.

I'm just looking at this with a critical eye.

You know, I've never stabbed anyone I worked for. I guess it's because I never worked for this guy.

If you dont allow sales managers to waterboard 'voluntarily', the terrorists will win.

The reason waterboarding seems like it is a cleaner form of torture is the same reason it is so much more by definition the process toward drowning. It forces you to intake water because it forces the gag reflex. When you put cold water over cloth, it evaporates rapidly and forces air out of your lungs. You are left without oxygen.

Actual drowning is death due to the lack of oxygen in connection with liquid. It does not mean your lungs are full of liquid. In most cases it is not. The liquid just prevents the oxygen from getting through. Those that drown in shallow water for instance do not have lungs full of water. They just can't get air.

In this similar case, you cannot get air. The difference is they (the administrators) control the timing such that they can predict the amount of time the person is without oxygen. It starts immediately instead of being dependent on how long the victim can hold their breath.

By being able to more reliably forestall death, they consider this a cleaner form of torture. Your body does not care if it is poison gas, constricted muscles, water, or asthma that causes lack of oxygen. It just experiences the lack of oxygen.

So you see, who commits the act is important. Because it supposedly can be a state you can be brought out of without permanent damage, knowing the method and timing is important. The reason there is not permanent damage is because our brains are built to shut down with lack of oxygen. Again, it is time dependent. The feature of waterboarding is time compression of the whole act. It does not remove pain, unconsciousness, brain damage, or death. It just changes the timeline. Pain has an immediate timeline.

If you ask someone to shoot you with a gun because you want to feel the bullet. They will still get charged. That is assault, even if you asked for it. If you want to take the tack that this was voluntary, they would have to have foreknowledge of the full ramifications of what they were asking for and those that administered it would also have to have full knowledge of the consequences (to be indemnified against recklessness).

But this was a case of a person not in power (the employee), being asked by the employer to do it. Power structure always has importance. That is why rape is defined to include coercion. Another thing to consider is whether he had a safe action (since he would have no way of saying much). That would help the employer say it was agreed upon. The court could still see this as an unreasonable burden upon an employee in a competitive field.

If you are forced to take a road with potholes... it does not mean the road should have potholes. You didn't choose the road for the potholes. You chose it for the destination.

Not being tortured is for closers?

they get to wear the red jackets too.

after the whole "drawing moustaches with permanent markers" thing, i just think this guy is batshit crazy.

What happened here was that after I quoted his post, I forgot to move up my preamble to before the quote and leave the response below. The first four paragraphs were not in response to his post, just explaining waterboarding. The last four dealt with his point. I wanted to include the first part to explain why it had to be administrated by someone knowledgeble/responsible/licensed. So I could put its legality aside as he wanted and get to working on how, even if entered to of free will, perpetrating it in some cases could be against the law.

Corrected.

I do think he would have an easier time in civil court. With lack of precedent, things could get murky and if it starts to overlap anything federal (one of the attorneys brings up medical records for past uses for instance), it will never get resolved because the feds will fight it on national security grounds.

Man, this would have been a great thread for our zotted waterboard lover.

im only sorry our friend martini bj isnt here to comment. maybe he can submit them by email? or we could just outsource the ravings to colinism, he fakes that shit pretty well.

I think the idea is that you do it head angled down to minimize water inhalation while simulating drowning. The bold bit makes no scientific sense to me.

This is true, but do you really want him back?

Scary what people will do when directed by someone in authority, isn't it?

Also, I have a learned and instinctive distrust of salespeople.

Scary? Yes.
New? Not so much.

actually that should be edited, as i did this a little quickly.

they were holding him down, but not INTO water. water was being POURED into his mouth, while he was on his back. but my writing is misleading.