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I didn't realize you would find this so complicated. 
Maybe it was the man and wife bit. Try reading this slowly and see if you can understand it.
Many news sources, commentators and laymen are referring to Barack Obama as "Senator Obama" but will often, in the same breath or sentence, refer to Hillary Clinton as "Mrs. Clinton."
I don't take offense when they refer to her as Hillary even though they never refer to him as Barack because obviously referring to her simply by last name would be confusing, but she is a Senator and I don't see how using "Mrs. Clinton" is appropriate. I haven't yet heard or seen anyone refer to him as "Mr. Obama."
FEB 28, 2008 07:18 PM
FEB 28, 2008 07:18 PM
PeaArrOhSeeKay said:
I didn't realize you would find this so complicated.
Maybe it was the man and wife bit. Try reading this slowly and see if you can understand it.
Many news sources, commentators and laymen are referring to Barack Obama as "Senator Obama" but will often, in the same breath or sentence, refer to Hillary Clinton as "Mrs. Clinton."
I don't take offense when they refer to her as Hillary even though they never refer to him as Barack because obviously referring to her simply by last name would be confusing, but she is a Senator and I don't see how using "Mrs. Clinton" is appropriate. I haven't yet heard or seen anyone refer to him as "Mr. Obama."
I have seen this in some places, but it should be noted that the New York Times almost always uses Mr. and Mrs.
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FEB 28, 2008 07:27 PM
PeaArrOhSeeKay said:
I didn't realize you would find this so complicated.
Maybe it was the man and wife bit. Try reading this slowly and see if you can understand it.
Many news sources, commentators and laymen are referring to Barack Obama as "Senator Obama" but will often, in the same breath or sentence, refer to Hillary Clinton as "Mrs. Clinton."
I don't take offense when they refer to her as Hillary even though they never refer to him as Barack because obviously referring to her simply by last name would be confusing, but she is a Senator and I don't see how using "Mrs. Clinton" is appropriate. I haven't yet heard or seen anyone refer to him as "Mr. Obama."
I hadn't noticed it, but then again I'm used to Billary, Hillary or Clinton. I agree that "Mrs. Clinton" is inappropriate.
Link or give more context in the future though?
FEB 28, 2008 07:31 PM
bean said:
NY Times: "But Mr. Obama's fund-raising appears once again to have sharply outstripped Mrs. Clinton's"
Financial Times: "Many analysts believe Mrs Clinton needs to win in both Texas and Ohio to keep her campaign alive after 11 successive defeats to Mr Obama in recent nominating contests."
Dallas Morning News: "Those words may have been carefully chosen, as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama, in a debate Tuesday"
That's just from searching "Mrs. Clinton" on Google News. That means, these are just articles from today. I can't find any that mention "Mrs. Clinton" and "Senator Obama."
If you're going to make sweeping accusations of the media, at least cite a couple sources.
Do the words "many" and "often" actually mean "most" and "always" (respectively) now? 
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FEB 28, 2008 07:42 PM
PeaArrOhSeeKay said:
Do the words "many" and "often" actually mean "most" and "always" (respectively) now?
If it's "many" and "often" it shouldn't be that hard to find one example.
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PeaArrOhSeeKay said:
Do the words "many" and "often" actually mean "most" and "always"...now?
I haven't yet heard or seen anyone refer to him as "Mr. Obama."
bean said:
NY Times: "But Mr. Obama's fund-raising appears once again to have sharply outstripped Mrs. Clinton's"
Financial Times: "Many analysts believe Mrs Clinton needs to win in both Texas and Ohio to keep her campaign alive after 11 successive defeats to Mr Obama in recent nominating contests."
Dallas Morning News: "Those words may have been carefully chosen, as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama, in a debate Tuesday"
FEB 28, 2008 07:50 PM
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emotedcreations said:
PeaArrOhSeeKay said:
Do the words "many" and "often" actually mean "most" and "always"...now?
I haven't yet heard or seen anyone refer to him as "Mr. Obama."
bean said:
NY Times: "But Mr. Obama's fund-raising appears once again to have sharply outstripped Mrs. Clinton's"
Financial Times: "Many analysts believe Mrs Clinton needs to win in both Texas and Ohio to keep her campaign alive after 11 successive defeats to Mr Obama in recent nominating contests."
Dallas Morning News: "Those words may have been carefully chosen, as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama, in a debate Tuesday"
I meant my use of "many" and "often."
FEB 28, 2008 08:07 PM
PeaArrOhSeeKay said:
Clearly this isn't as big of a problem as I somehow had the impression it was. Frankly, I can't recall specifically where I've read or seen it in the past. The only specific one I can remember off-hand was this morning on NPR.
To be fair, it was this asshole saying it. I have heard it from several other pundits and commentators but like I said, I can't recall exactly where other than this most recent one. I am guessing it isn't as much an issue (if at all) in printed news sources. I hadn't thought about style guidelines, but it's a valid point.
Maybe I should have fired off an angry missive to the Southern Baptist Convention instead or at least started the thread with more of a questioning rather than accusatory tone. I really meant to start a discussion, not come off like a raving cunt.
Fair enough. 
PRockGirlScout
Portland, OR
October 2005
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