Immigrant crime no longer an excuse

Long have xenophobes claimed that immigration causes crime. It has been used as an excuse to restrict Italian, Irish, Jewish, et al, and most recently Hispanic immigrants.

Whoopie

Seems the immigrant population is responsible for far fewer crimes than previously thought.

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Granted, the study is only in California, but since they have one of the highest Hispanic populations, I'm guessing this is a pretty good indicator for the rest of the country.

This doesn't remove all the ammunition from the immigration fear-mongers. They will still be able to argue about them using "our" health-care system (usually paying cash, as opposed to abusing the system, like proper American citizens often do), and not speaking the language.

Oh, and the whole "being brown" thing. Can't forget that one.

You are a better man than me. I saw the study a couple of days back thought of posting it but than I remembered the trolls...

Well, on the immigrant crime issue.....
Since California has a budget crisis and is planning to release 22,000 inmates out of the approximate 159,030 incarcerated men. Since 17% are illegal immigrants, we could, in theory, export 27,035 illegal immigrants back to their countries of origin and save an additional 20% over what our Governor is trying to do now.

You know something we don't?

-TM

"Seventeen percent of prisoners are foreign-born" does not equate to illegal immigrants.

Try to think before you post.

Nothing to fear from trolls. They tend to shoot themselves in the foot. Case in point: ignoring the difference between legal and illegal immigrants and spouting off a "ship them all off" mentality.

additionally, and sort of relatedly,


immigrants dont affect wages as much as we think. if this is true, IS there a reason to hate on the immigrants?

Don't forget the "they're brown" defense, used by many a xeno.

I was running on data provided from the original post. If it is wrong, then the whole thread is bunk.

Not if they are here LEGALLY.

okay.
It seems that the 17% figure is
diputed all over the place from this article alone and its various sources, it would appear that no one really knows or can agree on how many inmates are illegal immigrants. It stands to reason that LEGAL immigrants, having paid the atrocious amount of money to go through the process, would be less likely to commit a crime once here. I am seeing numbers from 6.4 percent to 25 percent.

Thank you for that stunning critique of this thread. You are the master of writing things that qualify as "bunk." I don't think I can even compete.

First you need to develop basic reading comprehension skills. Until you have reached that point in your education avoid statistical discussions.

Using your source for data again it is apparent you either did not read it or were unable to understand it. So I will try using small words to explain it to you.

These are bad people who are being held by the federal (Bush's jail) government. This are not the bad guys held by the states (50 of them plus DC) and the local governments.
You can get different numbers depending on what you count as a prisoner - convicted or held awaiting trial, type of facility included - jail verses prison, and government - local, state, or federal. Have your mommy explain this part to you.

Here the number people are talking about the bad guys in jails run by the states and federal (Bush's) government.

If the words are too big, hard, or complex just go away until you are able to contribute to an adult discussion of ideas and issues.

Oh, and martinj_b52, you might want to reread the original post and notice that the main point of the article is NOT about illegal immigrant, but about the percentage of criminals who were born outside of the U.S. YOU were the one who brought up illegals, with your "ship them all back" statement. YOU were the one missing the point. And yet, YOU are the one wondering why you are being called a troll. Just in case, HERE is the link again.

well, just by them being here illegaly does make them technicly commiting a crime :p but yes, most of the illegal immegrants do want to just work and send money back home to their familys (with the downward spiral direction they might be better off going into Canada). but on the same side their is drug smuggling going on and other illegal activities. There is no easy answer to both side but calling some one that is for strong boarders is a fearmonger de-rails the debate. Also most whites commite the most crimes and infractions while minority groups are more heavily watched and that should change.

When they are using non-existant dangers (crime, medical use, etc) to scare others into agreeing with them, then yes, fearmongers is the term for them.

Oh, and bravo on missing the point of the article (both the original and mine). This is not about illegal immigrants.

To be fair they are only meeting US demand, it's not like most of the drugs imported are consumed by 'dem darkies.'

But I was looking forward to hearing this spiral into a debate about 'dem illegals comin' to take ur jabs'

I'm sure if the discussion continues, it will go that way. But it is such a simple way of proving that someone didn't read the article.

Why not, they steal everything else when they come here........

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Colinism said:

Nessuno said:

abbazappa said:
. but on the same side their is drug smuggling going on and other illegal activities.

To be fair they are only meeting US demand, it's not like most of the drugs imported are consumed by 'dem darkies.'

Oh, and bravo on missing the point of the article (both the original and mine). This is not about illegal immigrants.

But I was looking forward to hearing this spiral into a debate about 'dem illegals comin' to take ur jabs'

Why not, they steal everything else when they come here........

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Dude, you're supposed to put that in a badly spelled rant. You're not doing it right!

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:

Nessuno said:

abbazappa said:
. but on the same side their is drug smuggling going on and other illegal activities.

To be fair they are only meeting US demand, it's not like most of the drugs imported are consumed by 'dem darkies.'

Oh, and bravo on missing the point of the article (both the original and mine). This is not about illegal immigrants.

But I was looking forward to hearing this spiral into a debate about 'dem illegals comin' to take ur jabs'

Why not, they steal everything else when they come here........

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Dude, you're supposed to put that in a badly spelled rant. You're not doing it right!

Fine..... but only on the condition that people know I am only joking.

I spoilered it just in case people don't realize it was only a very bad joke.

I could have gone on and one but I am at work and there is little privacy.

Not agreeing on everything with Trolly McTrollerson, but in that case he's actually not far off. According to several sources, about 13-25% of California's prison population are, in fact, illegal immigrants, not just "foreign born".

San Francisco Chronicle

There's an article from the LA Times that was only in the print edition that put it at 1 in 4.

I don't know, I feel like studies like the one posted here actually contribute to muddying the debate, by not differentiating between legal and illegal immigration. In my experience the fear-based arguments about immigration are very rarely about legal immigration, and haven't been since the turn of the century. That may just be a cover for underlying racism, but the only way to expose someone as a closet racist, as opposed to someone who has legitimate concerns with consequences of illegal immigration, is to really put all the facts on the table.