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Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

FEB 27, 2008 09:27 AM

Intellectual conservatives everywhere (all four of them!) mourn.

NEW YORK - William F. Buckley Jr., the erudite Ivy Leaguer and conservative herald who showered huge and scornful words on liberalism as he observed, abetted and cheered on the right's post-World War II rise from the fringes to the White House, died Wednesday. He was 82.

His assistant Linda Bridges said Buckley was found dead by his cook at his home in Stamford, Conn. The cause of death was unknown, but he had been ill with emphysema, she said.

Editor, columnist, novelist, debater, TV talk show star of "Firing Line," harpsichordist, trans-oceanic sailor and even a good-natured loser in a New York mayor's race, Buckley worked at a daunting pace, taking as little as 20 minutes to write a column for his magazine, the National Review.

Yet on the platform he was all handsome, reptilian languor, flexing his imposing vocabulary ever so slowly, accenting each point with an arched brow or rolling tongue and savoring an opponent's discomfort with wide-eyed glee.

"I am, I fully grant, a phenomenon, but not because of any speed in composition," he wrote in The New York Times Book Review in 1986. "I asked myself the other day, `Who else, on so many issues, has been so right so much of the time?' I couldn't think of anyone."

Buckley had for years been withdrawing from public life, starting in 1990 when he stepped down as top editor of the National Review. In December 1999, he closed down "Firing Line" after a 23-year run, when guests ranged from Richard Nixon to Allen Ginsberg. "You've got to end sometime and I'd just as soon not die onstage," he told the audience.

"For people of my generation, Bill Buckley was pretty much the first intelligent, witty, well-educated conservative one saw on television," fellow conservative William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, said at the time the show ended. "He legitimized conservatism as an intellectual movement and therefore as a political movement."

thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

FEB 27, 2008 09:37 AM

Judging from his views listed in that article, one has to wonder how having him and Ginsburg in the same room went.

-TM

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

FEB 27, 2008 09:43 AM

thefreak said:
Judging from his views listed in that article, one has to wonder how having him and Ginsburg in the same room went.

-TM



AWKward.


thefreak

thefreak

NEWSWIRE

Gardner, MA

FEB 27, 2008 09:47 AM

PointBlank said:
AWKward.


You know, I just watched that after a quick search before I saw you posted it.

[/Twilight Zone theme]

-TM

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

FEB 27, 2008 10:37 AM

thefreak said:

PointBlank said:
AWKward.


You know, I just watched that after a quick search before I saw you posted it.

[/Twilight Zone theme]

-TM



Now can someone explain why he's singing?

Also

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

FEB 27, 2008 11:27 AM

Let the mighty eagle soar, but make sure we cover up a physical representation of Justice because I can see a booby.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

FEB 27, 2008 11:33 AM

Subrosa said:


"I am, I fully grant, a phenomenon, but not because of any speed in composition," he wrote in The New York Times Book Review in 1986. "I asked myself the other day, `Who else, on so many issues, has been so right so much of the time?' I couldn't think of anyone."



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Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 27, 2008 12:08 PM

Buckley vs Noam Chomsky arguing on imperialism, invasions, and other things the Bush administration SHOULD have listened to.

Part One

Part Two

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

FEB 27, 2008 12:16 PM

Jeez, I was kind of hoping he'd never die. And I'm not even really a conservative anymore. Buckley was my reminder that not all outspoken conservatives are backwater mongoloids that only exist to troll society.

So long, WFBjr!

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 27, 2008 12:26 PM

The smartest man in New England, and probably the Northern Half of the United States, has passed away.

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

FEB 27, 2008 12:36 PM

I just made the connection to the famous debate between him and Gore Vidal.:

"Vidal called Buckley a "cypto-Nazi" (which Vidal later, accurately, corrected to "crypto-fascist"), and Buckley responded with, "listen you queer ['quee-ah'], stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll pop you in the goddamn face and you'll stay plastered.""

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 27, 2008 12:53 PM

Nessuno said:
I just made the connection to the famous debate between him and Gore Vidal.:

"Vidal called Buckley a "cypto-Nazi" (which Vidal later, accurately, corrected to "crypto-fascist"), and Buckley responded with, "listen you queer ['quee-ah'], stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll pop you in the goddamn face and you'll stay plastered.""



AWESOME!!! Its nice to see someone with spine AND intellect stand up for themselves against some mush-mouthed Know-nothing, goody two shoes.

Just because an idea is popular in Europe doesnt necesarily make it a good one. European achievements of the last 100 years have been few and far between. And European criticizms of the Viet Nam War are particularly hollow, since the French made it a point to involve themselves and lose huge there, first.

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

FEB 27, 2008 01:09 PM


And European criticizms of the Viet Nam War are particularly hollow, since the French made it a point to involve themselves and lose huge there, first.



You mean when the French Colonialists tried to protect their investment? I don't think you can equate US involvement in Vietnam with the French who were there before the conflict began.

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 27, 2008 01:25 PM

Nessuno said:


And European criticizms of the Viet Nam War are particularly hollow, since the French made it a point to involve themselves and lose huge there, first.



You mean when the French Colonialists tried to protect their investment? I don't think you can equate US involvement in Vietnam with the French who were there before the conflict began.



Why not? What we were ATTEMPTING to do was prevent another budding nation from becoming a totalitarian regime. Was our plan well thought out? obviously not, as someone forgot to notice that the people we were supporting were every bit as bad as those we opposed (which seems to be a common thread in our nation-building problems). Most failures that we are currently encountering in Iraq appear to be the result of over-compensating for the errors generated in our past failures at this (cant blame "big oil" for this one..no one found the oil until AFTER we left, and the area involved is also claimed by China AND The Phillipines).

Volkov

Volkov

San Antonio, TX
OLD SKOOL

FEB 27, 2008 01:27 PM




You mean when the French Colonialists tried to protect their investment? I don't think you can equate US involvement in Vietnam with the French who were there before the conflict began.




except that the French were there specifically to exploit the populace and the resources. They WERE the conflict. We went in, originally, at thier behest.

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

FEB 27, 2008 01:55 PM

Volkov70 said:
except that the French were there specifically to exploit the populace and the resources. They WERE the conflict. We went in, originally, at thier behest.



Agreed, the French were the cause for the conflict. I'm just saying that we, the US. shouldn't be compared to the French. Their reason for being there was a bad one, colonialism in general is a bad thing, but he said the French "made it a point to involve themselves." They didn't make a point of it, that's my point.


Why not? What we were ATTEMPTING to do was prevent another budding nation from becoming a totalitarian regime.



You said the French made a point of entering that conflict, I was correcting that.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that we have no right to meddle in the affairs of another country. Regardless of whether the French asked for aid or not.

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 27, 2008 02:34 PM

Nessuno said:

Volkov70 said:
except that the French were there specifically to exploit the populace and the resources. They WERE the conflict. We went in, originally, at thier behest.



Agreed, the French were the cause for the conflict. I'm just saying that we, the US. shouldn't be compared to the French. Their reason for being there was a bad one, colonialism in general is a bad thing, but he said the French "made it a point to involve themselves." They didn't make a point of it, that's my point.


Why not? What we were ATTEMPTING to do was prevent another budding nation from becoming a totalitarian regime.



You said the French made a point of entering that conflict, I was correcting that.

I'm not even going to get into the fact that we have no right to meddle in the affairs of another country. Regardless of whether the French asked for aid or not.



Like it or not, THAT question is in the arena of Presidential politics to determine (within the scope of the war powers act, of course).

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

FEB 27, 2008 03:00 PM

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mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

FEB 27, 2008 03:16 PM

"Why don't you get William F. Buckley to kill the spider?"

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 27, 2008 04:54 PM

oyaji said:
Good riddance to bad rubbish.



You're leaving?

I know its hard, but show some class for the recently deceased.

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

FEB 27, 2008 05:00 PM

Cassiel said:
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Yes, that is a photo of the person we're talking about. Good job!

attn_ho

attn_ho

Brooklyn, NY
February 2004

FEB 27, 2008 05:06 PM

Buckley: "Everyone detected with AIDS should be tatooed in the upper forearm, to protect common-needle users, and on the buttocks, to prevent the victimization of other homosexuals."
link

Buckley recanted after hearing that a friend of his, Roy Cohn, had contracted AIDS.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

FEB 27, 2008 05:19 PM

martinj_b52 said:
European achievements of the last 100 years have been few and far between.



Did you ever hear of the World Wide Web?

Utterly clueless.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

FEB 27, 2008 05:20 PM

oyaji said:

attn_ho said:
Buckley: "Everyone detected with AIDS should be tatooed in the upper forearm, to protect common-needle users, and on the buttocks, to prevent the victimization of other homosexuals."
link

Buckley recanted after hearing that a friend of his, Roy Cohn, had contracted AIDS.



Roy Cohn was also scum. It's a pity he was ever born.



Yes.

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

FEB 27, 2008 05:28 PM

attn_ho said:
Buckley: "Everyone detected with AIDS should be tatooed in the upper forearm, to protect common-needle users, and on the buttocks, to prevent the victimization of other homosexuals."
link

Buckley recanted after hearing that a friend of his, Roy Cohn, had contracted AIDS.

Is this supposed to be bad? Feel free to not Godwin your response if so.

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