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I'm lost
February 2006

FEB 21, 2008 08:19 AM

the globalist pigs / drug cartels run mexico , what it needs is a young Fidel Castro and lots of Guns. ARRR!!!

HoneyBadger

HoneyBadger

USA
July 2006

FEB 21, 2008 08:21 AM

It is hard to even read a response from someone who has an avatar that says "I'd rather be waterboarding"

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 21, 2008 08:22 AM

martinj_b52 said:

abracadabra said:
It's kinda funny in a sadistic way. We come to a foreign soil, then we kill most of the original inhabitants and take their land. Next we build the most powerful army and invent awful bombs to irradiate a foreign nation. Now we build fences to keep out what we once were, immigrants. Congratulations US.



They were killing EACH OTHER and ENSLAVING each other when we got here. "Native americans" were thousands of tribes, not one big happy family. And they were acting like nations-warring with each other.



By this logic, I should be able to give you smallpox.

HoneyBadger

HoneyBadger

USA
July 2006

FEB 21, 2008 08:24 AM



Easy to say, when you dont LIVE on the border and have all the crap going on that IS happening to the people who live on the border.



What is all the crap that is going on on the border? Clean dishes in restaraunts? Farms having labor to plant, pick and pack produce? Money going into your local economy? It sounds horrible.

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

FEB 21, 2008 08:36 AM

We should be building doors, not fences. That is to say, we should be building opened doors. They're just as bad if they're locked.

Also, the doors are metaphors, so they're free.

wheezy_e

wheezy_e

Boulder City, NV
April 2004

FEB 21, 2008 08:51 AM

Well at least it will keep out the retarded immigrants, right?

We should build big jumps and give them motorcross bikes or something. That way they'll get a head start on assimilating to the culture. From here on out you must "extreme sport" in.

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

FEB 21, 2008 09:02 AM

martinj_b52 said:

guitargeek said:
This is my new Official Dumbest Fucking Thing I've Ever Heard Of.



Easy to say, when you dont LIVE on the border and have all the crap going on that IS happening to the people who live on the border. Our immigration policy is SO complex that it takes about $7,000 (source: the Kenyan immigrant working down the street from me) to get here LEGALLY (its that big government thing I keep harping about). Once again, the vested interests work hard at blurring the lines between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration. ILLEGAL immigration is STILL breaking the LAW.

Until Mexico makes some radical changes, the situation ISNT going to improve.

Personally, I am all about the concept of the "fair-iis-fair" (dont look this up-its MY idea) immigration policy. And it IS fair. Whatever immigration policy is in effect for your HOME country shall be applied to you HERE. In other words, the law of YOUR land on immigration pertaining to Americans going THERE is what you are limited by HERE.

So we could confiscate Korans from the Saudi immigrants, because Bibles are not allowed in their country. Mexicans would take it in the shorts: They would pay an 80% sales tax when they sell their houses, would go to jail if they attempted to work while here legally, and would have to live in the house they own for 6 months or the government would come by and seize it. AND the cops would LOVE it, because all mexicans would have to pay their traffic fines TO THE COPS.

MEXICAN DOUBLE STANDARD

IMMIGRATION IN MEXICO



Hilarious. The dude with the "I'd rather be waterboarding" avatar and who wants to incorporate the immigration policies of every country on the planet into our own and apply them to people based on country of origin is complaining about "big government" and complex immigration policies.

Also, the examples you used to illustrate your "fair is fair" immigration policy are not examples of immigration policy in Saudi Arabia and Mexico.

Kristie

Kristie

Chicago, IL
December 2004

FEB 21, 2008 09:21 AM

martinj_b52 said:

abracadabra said:
It's kinda funny in a sadistic way. We come to a foreign soil, then we kill most of the original inhabitants and take their land. Next we build the most powerful army and invent awful bombs to irradiate a foreign nation. Now we build fences to keep out what we once were, immigrants. Congratulations US.



They were killing EACH OTHER and ENSLAVING each other when we got here. "Native americans" were thousands of tribes, not one big happy family. And they were acting like nations-warring with each other.



I think this is the first time in my 31 years of life that I've heard someone defend what the white man did to the Native American culture. I hope I don't hear it again for at least another 31 years.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

FEB 21, 2008 09:31 AM

KikiBH said:

martinj_b52 said:

abracadabra said:
It's kinda funny in a sadistic way. We come to a foreign soil, then we kill most of the original inhabitants and take their land. Next we build the most powerful army and invent awful bombs to irradiate a foreign nation. Now we build fences to keep out what we once were, immigrants. Congratulations US.



They were killing EACH OTHER and ENSLAVING each other when we got here. "Native americans" were thousands of tribes, not one big happy family. And they were acting like nations-warring with each other.


I think this is the first time in my 31 years of life that I've heard someone defend what the white man did to the Native American culture. I hope I don't hear it again for at least another 31 years.

That about sums up the tone of most of his commentary. Save yourself the trouble and put him on ignore now.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 21, 2008 09:32 AM

Wheezy_E said:
Well at least it will keep out the retarded immigrants, right?

We should build big jumps and give them motorcross bikes or something. That way they'll get a head start on assimilating to the culture. From here on out you must "extreme sport" in.



Actually, I would think that the ones smart enough not to fall for that would be the ones we want.

SSJiffy

SSJiffy

Santa Cruz, CA
October 2007

FEB 21, 2008 09:54 AM

The blame the victim mentality the 1st world has used to deal with the 3rd world have led to crap like this. Apparently everyone is on a level playing field and can go 1st world if only they pull themselves up by their own bootstraps; history starts after the decolonization of a country. whatever

Pfft, more fencing and vehicular walls? That just means more people will risk it and go through the deserts. Leaving holes in the new fencing will only encourage the minuteman project to continue going out to home depot and buying farm animal fencing type materials. pfft.

Twelve

Twelve

Bay City, MI
April 2007

FEB 21, 2008 09:56 AM

Mmm, spending money is awesome.

I would like to take this opportunity to link here.

papawheelie

papawheelie

Fisty, KY
February 2003

FEB 21, 2008 10:00 AM

they can only build 1/3 of the fence because there won't be anyone left here to do the labor on the rest of the thing

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

FEB 21, 2008 10:01 AM

martinj_b52 said:

guitargeek said:
This is my new Official Dumbest Fucking Thing I've Ever Heard Of.



Easy to say, when you dont LIVE on the border and have all the crap going on that IS happening to the people who live on the border.



Not to poke holes in what I'm sure you felt was a carefully worded argument, but I live in San Diego. Here's a visual aid for you. And I've gotta tell you, I'm a little more concerned about things like rising foreclosures in the area, my father's unemployment, the risk of all of Southern California catching on fire again this fall, and the way the Padres keep choking in the postseason. "All the crap going on", as you so eloquently put it, hasn't really been high on my list.

pariah002

pariah002

Yugoslavia
July 2003

FEB 21, 2008 10:20 AM

My head hurts.
And what really makes my head hurt is that there are a ton of people like martinj_b52 out there.

HoneyBadger

HoneyBadger

USA
July 2006
scorp17yh

scorp17yh

Brookings, OR
November 2004

FEB 21, 2008 10:32 AM

I know FTR posted this in his original story however I thought it needed to be repeated for emphasis....

"...DHS has no problem pursuing elderly and struggling homeowners. In the small town of Granjeno (pop. 313), however, the border fence would, conveniently, "abruptly end" at the property owned by Dallas billionaire Ray L. Hunt.

It's not surprising that the administration would be hesitant to upset Hunt, who was a Bush-Cheney campaign "Pioneer" in 2000. More recently, Hunt "donated $35 million to Southern Methodist University to help build Bush's presidential library." In 2001, Bush appointed Hunt to his Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, granting him "a security clearance and access to classified intelligence."

starbuck42

starbuck42

I'm lost
February 2007

FEB 21, 2008 10:41 AM

martinj_b52 said:
Easy to say, when you dont LIVE on the border and have all the crap going on that IS happening to the people who live on the border.


Then why are the people who live on the border, the people this article is about, so upset that the government is taking their land?

Bonaparte

Bonaparte

Eugene, OR
September 2006

FEB 21, 2008 10:52 AM

*sigh*

Hooraydiation

Hooraydiation

Boston, MA
October 2005

FEB 21, 2008 10:55 AM

starbuck42 said:

martinj_b52 said:
Easy to say, when you dont LIVE on the border and have all the crap going on that IS happening to the people who live on the border.


Then why are the people who live on the border, the people this article is about, so upset that the government is taking their land?



You have to admit that forcing them to move off the border is a pretty elegant inbuilt solution to their complaints, though. One relocations later, and their opinions are just as invalid as yours!

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

FEB 21, 2008 11:11 AM

I agree with Ron Paul's assessment of the immigration issue. Illegals are used as a scapegoat by the neo-cons, and as a rallying point for liberals, but we all lose by embracing either side. Either we continue to expand subsidies and entitlements, which are putting future generations into crushing debt, or we enrage our neighbors with harsh extraction and prosecution efforts.

The solution isn't simple or easy, but my man RP has the right idea: Address the more fundamental economic policies that distort and cripple our markets and money. Let the free market decide whether sneaking over US borders is a potentially lucrative risk. I believe if governments got out of the way, we could sort this out over a shorter period of time, if it can be sorted out at all.

Kindle

Kindle

Houston, TX
March 2006

FEB 21, 2008 11:11 AM

Because, after-all, Bush hasn't pissed off enough people yet. He has to get at least one more shot in before he leaves office. And hey, they're getting an extra $600.00 back on their taxes right?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 21, 2008 11:18 AM

livertarian said:
I agree with Ron Paul's assessment of the immigration issue. Illegals are used as a scapegoat by the neo-cons, and as a rallying point for liberals, but we all lose by embracing either side. Either we continue to expand subsidies and entitlements, which are putting future generations into crushing debt, or we enrage our neighbors with harsh extraction and prosecution efforts.

The solution isn't simple or easy, but my man RP has the right idea: Address the more fundamental economic policies that distort and cripple our markets and money. Let the free market decide whether sneaking over US borders is a potentially lucrative risk. I believe if governments got out of the way, we could sort this out over a shorter period of time, if it can be sorted out at all.



And I believe in fairies.

Munke

Munke

Penngrove, CA
May 2004

FEB 21, 2008 11:20 AM

OhSoOrdinary said:
I just want to give up.



Sadly I think that's part of the plan...

Get those that actually notice how ass-backwards things become to give up and stop caring.

That way we can join the sheeple and then the government can REALLY break out the vaseline.

mad

Munke

Munke

Penngrove, CA
May 2004

FEB 21, 2008 11:22 AM

PeaArrOhSeeKay said:

Officially, it's going to cost at least $1.2 billion, while most estimates double that amount.



You're forgetting about the additional 500 million or so they'll "misplace" while building it.



Fixed.



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