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William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 28, 2008 11:12 PM

OK, help me out here. This seems completely reasonable to me, although I understand that the dollar's value depends primarily upon the people's faith in its value.

Original story on Lankabusinessonline.comHere



Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has slammed a US economic stimulus package based on tax-refunds and called for fiscal prudence and less Federal Reserve money printing, which caused the current turmoil in the first place.

Talking to Fox News television Paul asked where the money for the tax refunds - the cornerstone of the Bush administration stimulus package - was coming from.

"Where is the money coming from? We don't have any money over here in Washington," Paul told Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto.

"We have consumed everything we have gotten. So, we either have to borrow it from China or we print the money, which is inflationary. So, I'm opposed to that."

Paul says Federal Reserve moves to cut rates would further hurt the US dollar. Paul, a congressmen representing Texas, is also on the House Financial Services Committee and the Joint Economic Committee. He is a strong advocate of sound monetary policy.

The sub-prime bubble he points out was caused by rates as low as one percent maintained by the Fed under Alan Greenspan which led to reckless lending and a property bubble. Now the Fed was giving its own 'stimulus' by cutting rates.

"This is a bit of a fiction, too, because the problem comes from artificially low interest rates," he pointed out.

"And we can't solve the problems of a weak dollar by printing more dollars."

"So, I think the dollar is still going to remain under attack, because you can't solve the problem of too much credit stimulus by more credit stimulus, because it will just lead to a weaker dollar. And I think they [Fed] are between a rock and a hard place."

Paul says the world is losing confidence in the US dollar as a reserve currency.

He is calling for reforms of the Federal Reserve and long-term changes to promote savings in the United States. Paul says taxes on interest discourages saving and the creation of 'real' capital.

"Then we resort to creating pseudo-capital at the Federal Reserve. And I think that's where our number one problem is," he said.

"And that is where the business cycle originates. And, as long as we have artificial booms, we're going to have these very real busts."

Gidgette

Gidgette

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

JAN 28, 2008 11:51 PM

It is definately going to be bad news if we enable the stimulus package. We are already in more debt than ever WHY create more?? Why spend money we don't have.... if America stopped spending so much things can get better... thats not gonna happen

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 29, 2008 12:08 AM

Ron Paul has about as much financial knowledge as a hamster.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 29, 2008 12:12 AM

Gidgette said:
It is definately going to be bad news if we enable the stimulus package. We are already in more debt than ever WHY create more?? Why spend money we don't have.... if America stopped spending so much things can get better... thats not gonna happen




Yeah... it just doesn't compute with me. I'm not educated enough as of yet to give any solid alternate solution, but I can say with confidence that printing more money can never, ever be a solution. By all logical accounts, it just doesn't make any sense.

Of course, in a twisted kind of way it would make sense, but in a long-run sense it just seems like we vehemently enjoy using Duct Tape.

Hell... America's economy may just end up one of those lame high-school Duct Tape wallets. Yeah....weird.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 29, 2008 12:13 AM

FearTheReaper said:
Ron Paul has about as much financial knowledge as a hamster.



But how is this bad logic? Enlighten me if you will. Pretend it's not Ron Paul or something, what about the words.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 29, 2008 12:15 AM

ThisWeekInTime said:

FearTheReaper said:
Ron Paul has about as much financial knowledge as a hamster.



But how is this bad logic? Enlighten me if you will. Pretend it's not Ron Paul or something, what about the words.



There are so many reasons our economy is in the tank, to just blame it on low interest rates and inflation if fucking retarded and simplistic. And that is why he is popular, people want it simple, It's not.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 29, 2008 12:18 AM

FearTheReaper said:

ThisWeekInTime said:

FearTheReaper said:
Ron Paul has about as much financial knowledge as a hamster.



But how is this bad logic? Enlighten me if you will. Pretend it's not Ron Paul or something, what about the words.



There are so many reasons our economy is in the tank, to just blame it one low interest rates and inflation if fucking retarded and simplistic. And that is why he is popular, people want it simple, It's not.



That's true, but what are your thoughts on printing more money to solve the problem, the Stimulus package and the rate cuts?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 29, 2008 12:21 AM

Those are traditional ways to ward off recession.

Gidgette

Gidgette

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

JAN 29, 2008 12:22 AM

We arent going to print money, we're going to borrow it from a country Im sure... or correct me if Im wrong. We are in debt because we owe many other countries a shit ton ( thats the word of the day) of money. The stimulus package is coming from more borrowed money right?

and if they do plan to print money, why the hell not? I mean if we didnt tell anyone it wouldnt lose value just be sure to split it equally. It would fit right in with all the other fucked up shit our country is based upon.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JAN 29, 2008 12:23 AM

jesus. "Fox News" and "Ron Paul" in the same thread, might as well set fire to this one now. I am actually surprised Fox News even talked to him, they've been ignoring him in all other situations.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

JAN 29, 2008 12:26 AM

FearTheReaper said:
Ron Paul has about as much financial knowledge as a hamster.



He has as much financial knowledge as a hamster? Too much
credit.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 29, 2008 12:34 AM

FearTheReaper said:
Those are traditional ways to ward off recession.



If you say so, man. It just doesn't make a lick of sense to me though.

It is the traditional way, I get that. It just seems so completely...wishy washy. Hell, I should never have tried looking into things like this anyway. I had no idea how wavering the dollar is, and how completely feathery it is.

I've been researching the origins of the stock market. Shit, that was considered a gambling game for the rich do--gooders, now it's the primary shindig. That just confuses me more.

But, you know, the system is in place. It's here. Changing it I think would be really bad, but I'm afraid of it as it is.

I figure there is some kind of other way to fix things like this. I couldn't begin to understand what it might be as of yet, though. I have to buy books and really do some studying before I can confidently give any kind of alternative opinion.

Kindle

Kindle

Houston, TX
March 2006

JAN 29, 2008 12:36 AM

DevilsReject said:
jesus. "Fox News" and "Ron Paul" in the same thread, might as well set fire to this one now. I am actually surprised Fox News even talked to him, they've been ignoring him in all other situations.


That was my first thought as well.

Kindle

Kindle

Houston, TX
March 2006

JAN 29, 2008 12:37 AM

wildswan said:

FearTheReaper said:
Ron Paul has about as much financial knowledge as a hamster.



He has as much financial knowledge as a hamster? Too much
credit.


No kidding. My hamster was pretty damn smart.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 29, 2008 12:39 AM

Gidgette said:
We arent going to print money, we're going to borrow it from a country Im sure... or correct me if Im wrong. We are in debt because we owe many other countries a shit ton ( thats the word of the day) of money. The stimulus package is coming from more borrowed money right?

and if they do plan to print money, why the hell not? I mean if we didnt tell anyone it wouldnt lose value just be sure to split it equally. It would fit right in with all the other fucked up shit our country is based upon.



Yeah, the common thing I've been reading is that the money will be borrowed from China...again.

As far as being in debt is concerned -- that's a part of it. I'm not sure if people really explore the fact that the U.S. Government itself does not have control over its own money despite congressional oversight.

The Fed lends money to the U.S. upon interest, the U.S. has to pay it back with interest to the Fed. The Fed is private, not a government entity as far as I understand. That's another thing that doesn't make any sense to me. It's owned by private bankers. It's a private corporation.

Federal Income Tax is used to pay back our own government's debt to the Fed. So, debt to other countries and in turn our own country in debt to a private bank.

My head hurts.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JAN 29, 2008 12:39 AM

wildswan said:

FearTheReaper said:
Ron Paul has about as much financial knowledge as a hamster.



He has as much financial knowledge as a hamster? Too much
credit.



hey, there are mentally retarded hamsters, you know.

artpie

artpie

Winston Salem, NC
December 2003

JAN 29, 2008 01:12 AM

The wheel keeps turning but the hamster is dead.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 29, 2008 12:44 PM

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 29, 2008 01:02 PM

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 29, 2008 01:19 PM

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JAN 29, 2008 01:22 PM

Ron Paul stole your comment

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 29, 2008 01:35 PM

Twice . . . he's a dirty Smurf-fucker!

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 29, 2008 01:37 PM

DevilsReject said:
jesus. "Fox News" and "Ron Paul" in the same thread . . .




SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JAN 29, 2008 03:39 PM

I guess someone could have avoided spending fuckloads of money on invading Iraq for no sane reason... then maybe a tax cut would have been affordable? Just asking.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 29, 2008 03:45 PM

SockPuppet said:
I guess someone could have avoided spending fuckloads of money on invading Iraq for no sane reason... then maybe a tax cut would have been affordable? Just asking.



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