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Caislean

Caislean

St. John's, NL
June 2007

JAN 14, 2008 12:05 AM

This may have been posted here already. I don't know. I just know that it pisses me off, and it needs to have attention drawn to it.

Here's something I copied from a Facebook (yes... Facebook whatever ) group about the ban:


"In December new rules took effect banning sexually active gay men from becoming organ donors. This was done so [quietly] that Canada's main organ transplant agencies were unaware of it until this week. We need to take a stand against these measures that continue to classify ALL gay men as "participating in high risk activities", grouping us with injection drug users.

Statement from Health Canada to the CBC: "Men who have had sex with another man within the preceding five years are excluded from being organ donors. Similarly, people who have evidence of IV drug abuse or having had sex for money are excluded from donating organs."


Reuters article: Health Canada insisted gay men were not being singled out. "A gay man who had practiced abstinence for the five years prior (to making an organ donation) would be acceptable," said the spokeswoman.


Liberal Health Critic Robert Thibault calls for an end to the ban:
Story

I have drafted a petition to the minister of Health, Tony Clement, which can be downloaded by following the website link for this group. Website


On Saturday January 12 I started an online version of the petition that you can sign at the link below.

Petition


Tony Clement
House of Commons
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A6
Mail may be sent postage-free to any Member of Parliament at this address.

Telephone: (613) 944-7740
Fax: (613) 992-5092
E-Mail:ClemeT@parl.gc.ca

Please show your support and invite your friends to join.

Thanks
Lucas"


**If this post is not appropriate, I apologize and feel free to remove it.**

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

JAN 14, 2008 12:07 AM

Wow, I figured we were past the whole "gay people transmit diseases" era.

MrStitches

MrStitches

Sag Harbor, NY
November 2003

JAN 14, 2008 12:10 AM

punk said:
Wow, I figured we were past the whole "gay people transmit diseases" era.



You're gonna catch the GRIDS with that attitude. . .

Clidna

Clidna

Emo, ON
January 2005

JAN 14, 2008 12:12 AM

Your link to the story is invalid... please fix...

Caislean

Caislean

St. John's, NL
June 2007

JAN 14, 2008 12:19 AM

Wow. I need sleep. All URLs are fixed. Sorry. blush

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

JAN 14, 2008 12:24 AM

In the US you can donate blood, if you've had a any type of gay sex (oral included) since 1970 or some shit. It's really random the shit they put on those lists, but obviously this type of prohibition is a reflection of outdated societal attitudes, and needs to be adjusted.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 14, 2008 01:01 AM

...it would make so much more sense to just require up-to-date tests for the pathogens they're worried about before donating blood or organs.

Wendy

Wendy

SUICIDEGIRL

Israel

JAN 14, 2008 04:37 AM

malkav11 said:
...it would make so much more sense to just require up-to-date tests for the pathogens they're worried about before donating blood or organs.



they do test blood and organ donations, but they just keep high risk groups out of the pool to take extra precautions. Sometimes HIV doesn't show up in a blood test for quite some time (can be months, I believe, maybe more). It just deals with more headache to include these high risk groups as donors. It's not homophobia or discrimination in any way. High risk groups just aren't allowed to donate.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JAN 14, 2008 03:25 PM

Wendy said:

malkav11 said:
...it would make so much more sense to just require up-to-date tests for the pathogens they're worried about before donating blood or organs.



they do test blood and organ donations, but they just keep high risk groups out of the pool to take extra precautions. Sometimes HIV doesn't show up in a blood test for quite some time (can be months, I believe, maybe more). It just deals with more headache to include these high risk groups as donors. It's not homophobia or discrimination in any way. High risk groups just aren't allowed to donate.



Three months is typical for HIV to show up in test; six months is very rare. A five-year ban seems a little excessive.

Caislean

Caislean

St. John's, NL
June 2007

JAN 14, 2008 10:04 PM

Its excessive to clump gay men into a group with junkies and hookers simply because they have sex with each other.

Yes, gay men still have a slight lead with regards to being tested positive for HIV. However, with the red alerts on AIDS and anal sex for the past two decades, gay men are also the group in the lead for routinely getting themselves tested.

Read this article and tell me why all sexually active people shouldn't be met wth suspicion. I highly doubt the wives and children of these men would have said that they were engaging in high risk behaviour, and had they not been caught I also doubt they'd of spoke up themselves.

"So you wish to be an organ donor, Father? Well, its routine to ask... are you at all experimenting with injection drugs?"
"Why no, son. However, I do engage in gay sex on the weekends, and every second Tuesday."

Give me a break. Let's also ban organs from women below the poverty line, as they're more likely to dabble in prostitution than any other group of organ donors.

freshprncebelair

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD
June 2004

JAN 15, 2008 05:20 AM

Caislean said:
Give me a break. Let's also ban organs from women below the poverty line, as they're more likely to dabble in prostitution than any other group of organ donors.



They ban prostitution


Those who may be deferred include:
* Anyone who has ever used intravenous drugs (illegal IV drugs)
* Men who have had sexual contact with other men since 1977
* Anyone who has ever received clotting factor concentrates
* Anyone with a positive test for HIV (AIDS virus)
* Men and women who have engaged in sex for money or drugs since 1977
* Anyone who has had hepatitis since his or her eleventh birthday
* Anyone who has had babesiosis or Chagas disease
* Anyone who has taken Tegison for psoriasis
* Anyone who has risk factors for Crueutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) or who has an immediate family member with CJD
* Anyone who has risk factors for variant CJD
* Anyone who spent three months or more in the United Kingdom from 1980 through 1996
* Anyone who has spent five years in Europe from 1980 to the present.



Did it ever occur to you that these qualifications might be determined by actuarial means, and not some misguided political process?

Wendy

Wendy

SUICIDEGIRL

Israel

JAN 15, 2008 06:49 AM

Caislean said:
Yes, gay men still have a slight lead with regards to being tested positive for HIV.



Do you know how big the lead is?

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 15, 2008 06:57 AM

Wendy said:

Caislean said:
Yes, gay men still have a slight lead with regards to being tested positive for HIV.



Do you know how big the lead is?



From the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 15, 2008 07:29 AM

Colinism said:

Wendy said:

Caislean said:
Yes, gay men still have a slight lead with regards to being tested positive for HIV.


Do you know how big the lead is?


From the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure


In other words, a little over half of all cases. Interestingly, if you scroll up a little bit to show cases by race and ethnicity, you'll see that blacks account for a little over half of all cases, too.

I think if anyone suggested that blacks be barred from blood and organ donation it would be rightly decried as racist.

There is no question that some element of, as frshprncebelair phrases it, "actuarial means" goes into the formulation of these policies. But this

Wendy said:
It's not homophobia or discrimination in any way. High risk groups just aren't allowed to donate.


is far too strong a denial. A component of prejudice is pretty obvious.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

JAN 15, 2008 07:29 AM

Colinism said:

Wendy said:

Caislean said:
Yes, gay men still have a slight lead with regards to being tested positive for HIV.



Do you know how big the lead is?



From the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure



I do see that they are writing about estimated numbers in 33 states for 2005.
But is there some explanation for why there is a nearly 10 thousand case disparity in the count between the listing by race and the list by transmission category ?

Kindle

Kindle

Seattle, WA
March 2006

JAN 15, 2008 08:08 AM

Chainlink said:

Colinism said:

Wendy said:

Caislean said:
Yes, gay men still have a slight lead with regards to being tested positive for HIV.



Do you know how big the lead is?



From the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure



I do see that they are writing about estimated numbers in 33 states for 2005.
But is there some explanation for why there is a nearly 10 thousand case disparity in the count between the listing by race and the list by transmission category ?


Probably because they are just estimated statistics. I'm not a big fan of statistics in the first place, just because I find them so inaccurate, but I also find they can be useful as long as someone doesn't consider them absolute.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JAN 15, 2008 08:13 AM

BTW I simply posted what I thought was the best link with the most relevant information I am in no way shape or form weighing in on this.

I just want to be absolutely clear on that. smile

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

JAN 15, 2008 09:03 AM

I think the prohibition may still be actuarial driven. Please see HIV/AIDS among Men Who Have Sex with Men from the CDC. Please note the following

The number of HIV diagnoses for MSM decreased during the 1980s and 1990s, but recent surveillance data show an increase in HIV diagnoses for this group [3, 4]. Additionally, racial disparities exist with regard to HIV diagnoses within the MSM population. A recent study, conducted in 5 large US cities, found that HIV prevalence among black MSM (46%) was more than twice that among white MSM (21%) [5].




RISK FACTORS AND BARRIERS TO PREVENTION
Sexual Risk Factors
...Unprotected anal sex (barebacking) with casual partners is an increasing concern. Not all the reasons for an apparent increase in unprotected anal intercourse are known, but research points to the following factors: optimism about improved HIV treatment, substance use, complex sexual decision making, seeking sex partners on the Internet, and failure to practice safer sex [7]. Some of these men may be serosorting, or only having sex (or unprotected sex) with a partner whose HIV serostatus, they believe, is the same as their own. Although serosorting between MSM who have tested HIV-positive is likely to prevent new HIV transmission to persons who are not infected, the effectiveness of serosorting between men who have tested HIV-negative has not been established. Serosorting with condom use may further reduce the risk of HIV transmission. However, for men with casual partners, serosorting alone is likely to be less effective than always using condoms because some men do not know or disclose their HIV serostatus [8].



Complacency about Risk
More than 25 years into the HIV epidemic, there is evidence of an underestimation of risk, of difficulty in maintaining safer sex practices, and of a need to sustain prevention efforts for all gay and bisexual men.

* The success of highly active antiretroviral therapy (HAART) may have had the unintended consequence of increasing the risk behaviors of some MSM.
o Some research suggests that the perceptions of the negative aspects of HIV infection have been minimized since the introduction of HAART, which has led to a false understanding of what living with HIV means and thus to an increase in risky sexual behaviors [22, 23]. For example, some MSM may mistakenly believe that they or their partners are not infectious when they take antiretroviral medication or when they have low or undetectable viral loads [24].
o Optimism about HIV treatments is associated with a greater willingness to have unprotected anal intercourse [25%u201327].



It seems that among younger gay men those who did not see the loss of a generation to AIDS. Who now have access to drugs that have changed AIDS from a death sentence to chronic but manageable heath condition have shifted away from the behavior patterns, condoms always except in LTR, that had helped to stem the spread of AIDS. This may be why the prohibition was put in place.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 15, 2008 10:20 AM

I still don't really see why one would go with a five year prohibition when the HIV would show up much sooner than that. I mean, jeez. Five years is kind of a long time to go without sex just to be a donor.

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

JAN 15, 2008 04:48 PM

Zarth said:

Colinism said:

Wendy said:

Caislean said:
Yes, gay men still have a slight lead with regards to being tested positive for HIV.


Do you know how big the lead is?


From the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure


In other words, a little over half of all cases. Interestingly, if you scroll up a little bit to show cases by race and ethnicity, you'll see that blacks account for a little over half of all cases, too.

I think if anyone suggested that blacks be barred from blood and organ donation it would be rightly decried as racist.

There is no question that some element of, as frshprncebelair phrases it, "actuarial means" goes into the formulation of these policies. But this

Wendy said:
It's not homophobia or discrimination in any way. High risk groups just aren't allowed to donate.


is far too strong a denial. A component of prejudice is pretty obvious.



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