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llama

Rosedale, MD

December 2004

JAN 01, 2008 08:49 PM

BrainBlank said:
Any other asinine stats you want to site? This year, NYC had the fewest murders in OVER 40 YEARS.

whoo hoo, new slogan "We suck less this year". 400+ still blows away Baltimore.

I'm sure that instead of discussing this point, you'll complain that I called you asinine, instead of seeing what i did: Called your entire argument stupid, callous and backward.

Not at all, you are completely free to be a rude, abusive fucktard to your hearts content, go you.

Yes, that is an example of attacking people's points and not making shit up that no one here has ever said. For the record, you're the one who doesn't have a problem with lawlessness, not the rest of us.

you might want to invest in a reading for comprehension course, cause quite frankly, you suck at it.

For the last time

really? Could I be that lucky.?

Your concept that "Bad people" are "Bad" and no one should be upset when they die is just ridiculous, and only seems crazier by your unwillingness to back off of it even a little. I mean, I'm sure we'd all love to live in a world where llama decided who is a "bad person" and what level of being "bad" is an acceptable level for them to be murdered. Too bad we don't. Perhaps you should go out and experience a little bit of life.

well, seeing as how no one has given any sort of counterpoint to why I should care about criminals killing criminals, I can only assume you are just looking to stir up shit and make yourself feel better by restating in various ways that "you're just wrong, I can't tell you why, but you are. cause if you were right, I would agree with you."

Or, instead of doing that you could just selectively quote people and cry about some insult that never happened. It's working for you!

nah, you already have that position filled and it would be a shame to put the handicapped out of work. I wasn't selectively quoting you, I merely considered your minutiae irrelevant.

And hey, if some "bad kids" get mixed up in it, they were probably part of one of those crazy gangs that I've heard so much about. Hey, making a bad choice at sixteen might negate an entire life of good choices that they'll never make now--but whatever, right? They made the choice to be "Bad guys"

yes, that gang violence rumour is so heinously being spread by the uninformed. And yes, so many violent crimes are committed by misinformed youth that one day wake up and think, "oh shit, I accidentally joined a gang, and they want me to do what?".

It has been an especially bloody year for children in Baltimore; 27 of this year's murder victims were under the age of 18.

I can read the article thank you very much. I'm not the one reading the extra words in posts that aren't really there.

llama

Rosedale, MD

December 2004

JAN 01, 2008 08:56 PM

Colinism said:
Um, look I'm not interested in this fight at all but how exactly do you get that this year was lower than last year when from the article this is the first two paragraphs?

After years of declining homicide rates, the number of murders in New York City this year has surpassed the number recorded in 2005, according to police department figures.

There were 579 murders reported in New York City through December 24, compared with 527 last year at this time, according to police records. The change represents a 9.8% increase. There were 539 homicides in all of 2005.

Now if you meant to say 2006 was the lowest on record you might be correct, I don' t know but clearly 579 is a larger number than 527, so unless the population also drastically increased.

the number of fatalities did drop to just over 400 this year in NYC. As I stated, the figures I had were from 2006, not 2007.

PRockGirlScout

Portland, OR

October 2005

JAN 01, 2008 09:09 PM

PointBlank said:

llama said:

wildswan said:
Seriously, if you think some people are 'throwaway' you have a lot more in common with those 'throwaways' than you are aware of - one of those things being apathy towards human suffering.

Goodie, then these gems of society can come live at your house, you can bake them cookies and convince them that what they are doing is bad. Let me know how that works out.

I guess this a brilliant attempt at "adding to the discussion."
Choice 1: Not care about murder.
Choice 2: Allow criminals to live you with you. Bake cookies.

Yes, that's an intelligent point. No flaws.

Some people just can't handle shades of grey.

Nessuno

Washington, DC

May 2006

JAN 01, 2008 09:27 PM

llama said:

BrainBlank said:
Any other asinine stats you want to site? This year, NYC had the fewest murders in OVER 40 YEARS.

whoo hoo, new slogan "We suck less this year". 400+ still blows away Baltimore.

I'm not stepping foot inside the pissing war here, but that's severely flawed logic. Baltimore is a hell of a lot smaller than NYC. It's a question of murders per capita.

Baltimore 640,961
NYC 8,213,839

Just to put things in perspective.

yes, that gang violence rumour is so heinously being spread by the uninformed. And yes, so many violent crimes are committed by misinformed youth that one day wake up and think, "oh shit, I accidentally joined a gang, and they want me to do what?".

Growing up in a culture where murder is glorified has nothing to do with the perspective of these kids. They made the calm, conscious and adult decision that becoming murderers and drug slingers is their way in life. It's easy to say walk away or "Just say no", to quote a former first lady, when you're nice, white, safe and with a stable enviroment, comparitively.

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH

February 2007

JAN 01, 2008 09:44 PM

llama said:
well, seeing as how no one has given any sort of counterpoint to why I should care about criminals killing criminals.

Because at some point, the "bad people" you are referring to, can have a life altering experience that makes them become "good people" and believe they can help other "bad people".

According to your theory i should be fucking dead. I am not at all proud of my past, i've made my mistakes.

My criminal past has no record, i was lucky enough to get through that period of my life without involving the law to an extent, and what was there was expunged but i realized how i living my life was wrong. I was lucky enough to never have hurt anyone. I have gone on to help other "bad" people change their lives and become functional parts of society.

I tend to believe that if i hadn't made my mistakes i wouldn't be able to help the people i have helped to date, and continue to openly help more people that come my way.

"Bad People" act the way they do because no one wants to take the time to educate them to what they are doing is wrong, no one wants to help, they just want it to go away, they ignore it. They'd rather sit on their high horse, blame movies, and video games, and guns, rather than blame a society of people that just don't give a fuck about people. Much like you do.

Being indifferent to people killing people is the equivalent to ignoring people killing people, good or bad. That one "bad person" that dies, may have been the one person that had the power to change ten other "bad people's" lives. If ten of those changed people die, that's 100 people that could of changed.

I would love to live in a society where people chose to help people, rather than point a judgmental finger at someone and say "i don't care about you" because that isn't going to solve anything.

I personally know bad people that have gone on to become counselors, teachers, IT techs, doctors, and even fancy pants lawyers, all because someone took the time to acknowledge them and educate them rather than fucking ignore them and wish they were dead.

BlastProcessing

USA

OLD SKOOL

JAN 02, 2008 12:22 AM

llama said:

BrainBlank said:

I for one am glad that you've lost any pretense to the moral high ground.

I'm equally glad that when you did, you didn't do it right.

SoonerDog

United Kingdom

July 2002

JAN 02, 2008 04:26 AM

llama said:
well, seeing as how no one has given any sort of counterpoint to why I should care about criminals killing criminals, I can only assume you are just looking to stir up shit and make yourself feel better by restating in various ways that "you're just wrong, I can't tell you why, but you are. cause if you were right, I would agree with you."

But people (including PointBlank in the very post you were replying to) HAVE been giving you a "counterpoint to why I should care about criminals killing criminals." You just haven't understood them.

You're a LOTR fan - maybe you just need to hear it in terms you can understand

"Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.

(I'm only being semi-facetious here)

Colinism

Atlanta, GA

July 2005

JAN 02, 2008 04:34 AM

llama said:

Colinism said:
Um, look I'm not interested in this fight at all but how exactly do you get that this year was lower than last year when from the article this is the first two paragraphs?

After years of declining homicide rates, the number of murders in New York City this year has surpassed the number recorded in 2005, according to police department figures.

There were 579 murders reported in New York City through December 24, compared with 527 last year at this time, according to police records. The change represents a 9.8% increase. There were 539 homicides in all of 2005.

Now if you meant to say 2006 was the lowest on record you might be correct, I don' t know but clearly 579 is a larger number than 527, so unless the population also drastically increased.

the number of fatalities did drop to just over 400 this year in NYC. As I stated, the figures I had were from 2006, not 2007.

Thank you I saw the date at the top and not on the article.

llama

Rosedale, MD

December 2004

JAN 02, 2008 04:58 AM

DevilsReject said:

llama said:
well, seeing as how no one has given any sort of counterpoint to why I should care about criminals killing criminals.

Because at some point, the "bad people" you are referring to, can have a life altering experience that makes them become "good people" and believe they can help other "bad people".

According to your theory i should be fucking dead. I am not at all proud of my past, i've made my mistakes.

My criminal past has no record, i was lucky enough to get through that period of my life without involving the law to an extent, and what was there was expunged but i realized how i living my life was wrong. I was lucky enough to never have hurt anyone. I have gone on to help other "bad" people change their lives and become functional parts of society.

I tend to believe that if i hadn't made my mistakes i wouldn't be able to help the people i have helped to date, and continue to openly help more people that come my way.

"Bad People" act the way they do because no one wants to take the time to educate them to what they are doing is wrong, no one wants to help, they just want it to go away, they ignore it. They'd rather sit on their high horse, blame movies, and video games, and guns, rather than blame a society of people that just don't give a fuck about people. Much like you do.

Being indifferent to people killing people is the equivalent to ignoring people killing people, good or bad. That one "bad person" that dies, may have been the one person that had the power to change ten other "bad people's" lives. If ten of those changed people die, that's 100 people that could of changed.

I would love to live in a society where people chose to help people, rather than point a judgmental finger at someone and say "i don't care about you" because that isn't going to solve anything.

I personally know bad people that have gone on to become counselors, teachers, IT techs, doctors, and even fancy pants lawyers, all because someone took the time to acknowledge them and educate them rather than fucking ignore them and wish they were dead.

point taken, thank you.

PointBlank

New York, NY

November 2004

JAN 02, 2008 05:07 AM

BlastProcessing said:

llama said:

BrainBlank said:

I for one am glad that you've lost any pretense to the moral high ground.

I'm equally glad that when you did, you didn't do it right.

You just don't get it. He's saying that my brain is blank. And he used a clever play on words to do it! It's very smart and funny. And not at all hypocritical that the guy who whines about insults (even though his argument has been insulted) uses them more than anyone else.

Remember, this is the guy who thinks that NYC is doing worse than Baltimore when it comes to controlling murders.

280 Murders in Baltimore (and rising) out of 678000 (2 mil in the metro area)
480 (appr) Murders in New York (and lowering) out of 9 million (18 in the metro area.
His math has a lot in common with his argument. Clearly, I'm the one with the "Blank Brain" (gosh, that's still funny).

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD

June 2004

JAN 02, 2008 05:33 AM

llama said:
Well, I'll keep voting for more funding for education and police, and judges who are tough on violent crimes, and trying to get handguns declared a threat to national security, and you can vote for those who will be more touchy-feely trying to relate to the criminal element, and feeling bad when criminals get killed during their criminal endeavors. Hope that works out for you.

You do realize that the things you recommend to control crime are statistically speaking, very inefficient at controlling crime?

llama

Rosedale, MD

December 2004

JAN 02, 2008 06:13 AM

PointBlank said:

BlastProcessing said:

llama said:

BrainBlank said:

I for one am glad that you've lost any pretense to the moral high ground.

I'm equally glad that when you did, you didn't do it right.

You just don't get it. He's saying that my brain is blank. And he used a clever play on words to do it! It's very smart and funny. And not at all hypocritical that the guy who whines about insults (even though his argument has been insulted) uses them more than anyone else.

Remember, this is the guy who thinks that NYC is doing worse than Baltimore when it comes to controlling murders.

280 Murders in Baltimore (and rising) out of 678000 (2 mil in the metro area)
480 (appr) Murders in New York (and lowering) out of 9 million (18 in the metro area.
His math has a lot in common with his argument. Clearly, I'm the one with the "Blank Brain" (gosh, that's still funny).

Yes, I have a problem with your methods of discussion, and I insulted you. Sorry for that.

My comment on NYCs murder rates was a reply to a different poster who said they pay higher taxes and don't have these problems. I think 480 murders is still a problem whatever the per capita numbers are.

And, based on DevilsReject's post without the ESPN-ish wrapper, I can see where my comment that it was a shame the two criminals didn't kill each other was crass. again, my apologies.

llama

Rosedale, MD

December 2004

JAN 02, 2008 06:17 AM

freshprncebelair said:

llama said:
Well, I'll keep voting for more funding for education and police, and judges who are tough on violent crimes, and trying to get handguns declared a threat to national security, and you can vote for those who will be more touchy-feely trying to relate to the criminal element, and feeling bad when criminals get killed during their criminal endeavors. Hope that works out for you.

You do realize that the things you recommend to control crime are statistically speaking, very inefficient at controlling crime?

I don't see where it has ever been tried. The number of teachers per students has been in decline, the arts programs have been disappearing from public schools, teachers and police officers are still some of the lowest paid professions out there.

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JAN 02, 2008 09:58 AM

llama said:

freshprncebelair said:

llama said:
Well, I'll keep voting for more funding for education and police, and judges who are tough on violent crimes, and trying to get handguns declared a threat to national security, and you can vote for those who will be more touchy-feely trying to relate to the criminal element, and feeling bad when criminals get killed during their criminal endeavors. Hope that works out for you.

You do realize that the things you recommend to control crime are statistically speaking, very inefficient at controlling crime?

I don't see where it has ever been tried. The number of teachers per students has been in decline, the arts programs have been disappearing from public schools, teachers and police officers are still some of the lowest paid professions out there.

"Touchy-feely trying-to-relate-to-the-criminal" programs result in considerably lower rates of recidivism.

freshprncebelair

Ellicott City, MD

June 2004

JAN 02, 2008 10:00 AM

bean said:
"Touchy-feely trying-to-relate-to-the-criminal" programs result in considerably lower rates of recidivism.

Bean, are you nuts?

Throwing people in a cage where they will be violently raped is the best way to turn people into productive citizens! Also, it's really good at breaking up racially based gangs!

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY

May 2003

JAN 02, 2008 10:06 AM

freshprncebelair said:

llama said:
Well, I'll keep voting for more funding for education and police, and judges who are tough on violent crimes, and trying to get handguns declared a threat to national security, and you can vote for those who will be more touchy-feely trying to relate to the criminal element, and feeling bad when criminals get killed during their criminal endeavors. Hope that works out for you.

You do realize that the things you recommend to control crime are statistically speaking, very inefficient at controlling crime?

Increased police funding, especially when it results in more police on the streets, isn't an efficient way of lowering crime rates?

SkottieDanger

Georgia

OLD SKOOL

JAN 03, 2008 10:03 AM

crack ruined that city in the 80's.

man.. there are some nice nice cool ass bldgs in that town that are empty.

SkottieDanger

Georgia

OLD SKOOL

JAN 03, 2008 10:07 AM

oh... more...

THE WIRE is amazing. that is baltimore ...dead on... (pardon the pun)..

next to the importing exporting from the docks in dundalk... the dope trade is number two in revenue (amt of cash spent and taken from)

the better biz bureau doesnt go after the corner man if he rips you off... if a runner for a major dealer rips the dealer off... there is no severence package.

supply and demand at it's finest.

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX

May 2006

JAN 03, 2008 12:34 PM

Oh well fuck me sideways, I had the longest post in the world, typed with one hand, and I fucking backed up a page on accident.

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN

July 2003

JAN 03, 2008 02:43 PM

DhD_No_Pants said:
Oh well fuck me sideways, I had the longest post in the world, typed with one hand, and I fucking backed up a page on accident.

With one hand, eh?
Hot.

hornjock

Fort Monroe, VA

August 2007

JAN 03, 2008 07:09 PM

Cincinnati's murder rate was down from 89 to 65.. .I think.
That's..... nice... I guess.

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