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Phantasy

Phantasy

Australia
October 2005

DEC 17, 2007 04:35 PM

Australia has a shameful history. Part of this shame includes the Stolen Generations. Our previous Prime Minister refused to apologise for what happened, at least formally. Our new government has promised to officially apologise.


Prime Minister-elect Kevin Rudd says he will say sorry to Indigenous Australians early in his first term of government.

Former prime minister John Howard was adamant that he would never deliver a formal apology to the Stolen Generation.

But Mr Rudd says his government will apologise.

Source.



This will inevitably mean compensation payouts.


ABORIGINAL leaders have rallied behind a push for massive compensation for the Stolen Generations, but a former indigenous adviser to the Howard government has warned that the Rudd Government must not be dragged back into issues of "toxic symbolism".

While the Federal Government has attempted to sidestep the issue of compensation for the Stolen Generations, Aboriginal academics Boni Robertson and Gracelyn Smallwood yesterday upped the ante, saying it should be much higher than the $1 billion suggested by lawyer Michael Mansell.

Professor Robertson said $1 billion was "really quite minimal" and "just a starting point", while Ms Smallwood said it would be "very generous to the Government" and should be double or triple that amount.

"It's very simple," Ms Smallwood told The Australian. "You can't just apologise, you've got to mean it and the only way to prove that is through compensation. You can't reconcile without it."

As the Rudd Government moves towards a national apology, Wesley Aird, a member of the Howard government's hand-picked National Indigenous Council, warned Labor against being dragged back into "toxic symbolism", and said some Aboriginal leaders now seeking to re-engage with government had presided over "an era of hopelesseness".

"I don't believe anyone is going to have a better life just because the Government says sorry," Mr Aird said.

Indigenous Affairs Minister Jenny Macklin met members of the NIC last week. She said yesterday its role was "still being considered". At the meeting, Sue Gordon, who has chaired both the council and the Northern Territory intervention taskforce, urged the Government to make a broad apology to all of those affected by the removal of Aboriginal children - not just to the children who were removed.

"If there's going to be an apology, I didn't want sorry to me, I wanted it to my mother and my brother who saw me taken away and looked for me," Ms Gordon said. "It's all those people who need to be part of it."

She urged the Government to consult widely on the wording of the apology, but said it was important not to get "hung up on words".

Jackie Huggins, the former co-chair of Reconciliation Australia, said the word "sorry" was essential and the words "cruel" and "evil" - as used in a Canadian apology to indigenous children taken from their families - were appropriate.

Former prime minister Malcolm Fraser said an apology needed to recognise that the policy of child removal based on race was "disastrously wrong and terrible".

He said compensation needed to be discussed, but thought the priority should be in redressing the "gross and irresponsible massive underspending on health, housing and education".

Mr Fraser also took aim at dissident historian Keith Windschuttle, who maintains the Stolen Generations are a "fiction". The former Liberal leader said that Territory ordinances and documents dating back to 1911 gave "total confirmation that it was a designed and deliberate act of policy".

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I believe that this apology is extremely important and cannot come soon enough. I believe that it may just begin to mend a lot of the hurt and anger that exists in our country.

Malcolm Fraser's a very smart man and I couldn't agree more with his quote above on redressing the
"...gross and irresponsible massive underspending on health, housing and education". This needs to happen so urgently it absolutely breaks my heart.

I was thinking, wouldn't the money be better spent on achieving those goals? Wouldn't it be better to say "Look mate, I'm really sorry, so how about I educate your children, raise your mortality rate and get your living standards up from third world standards?"

My understanding of how this kind of compensation actually works is admittedly quite naive. If anyone can enlighten me I'd be most grateful. I'd also really like to hear from people living in countries where this kind of thing has happened. Is money the answer? If not, what is?

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

DEC 17, 2007 05:48 PM

Usually compensation is seen as cash in hand paid out. So in reality nothing will be done to change the conditions.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

DEC 17, 2007 05:57 PM

Colinism said:
Usually compensation is seen as cash in hand paid out. So in reality nothing will be done to change the conditions.

If it helps a single family, so be it...

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

DEC 17, 2007 05:59 PM

emotedcreations said:

Colinism said:
Usually compensation is seen as cash in hand paid out. So in reality nothing will be done to change the conditions.

If it helps a single family, so be it...



I'd much sooner see any compensation be used as a massive investment in education, job training and health care in co-ordination with Aboriginal communities as a whole, but sending out a bunch of checks is still leagues better than having the government say "fuck off".

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

DEC 17, 2007 06:13 PM

Uncognitive said:
...but sending out a bunch of checks is still leagues better than having the government say "fuck off".

That's what I was going for...although there's something to be said for self-determination. Anyway, some combination thereof might be the optimal answer.

bald_eagle

bald_eagle

Indianapolis, IN
November 2006

DEC 17, 2007 06:13 PM

It took us something like 50 years to admit we'd done something wrong by putting Americans of Japanese descent in internment camps.

The compensation thing will inevitably get worked out. But an apology seems like an appropriate place to start. I can't see avoiding an apology because it might lead to an expense. Doing what's right shouldn't depend on whether it might cost something.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

DEC 17, 2007 06:57 PM

bald_eagle said:
I can't see avoiding an apology because it might lead to an expense. Doing what's right shouldn't depend on whether it might cost something.

Especially when doing something wrong could cost you billions of dollars.

Phantasy

Phantasy

Australia
October 2005

DEC 17, 2007 08:14 PM

emotedcreations said:

bald_eagle said:
I can't see avoiding an apology because it might lead to an expense. Doing what's right shouldn't depend on whether it might cost something.

Especially when doing something wrong could cost you billions of dollars.



That's exactly why John Howard never formally apologised.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

DEC 17, 2007 08:50 PM

Phantasy said:

emotedcreations said:

bald_eagle said:
I can't see avoiding an apology because it might lead to an expense. Doing what's right shouldn't depend on whether it might cost something.

Especially when doing something wrong could cost you billions of dollars.

That's exactly why John Howard never formally apologised.

I was very vaguely referencing the Iraq War. If doing something good costs you money, who cares, 'cause doing something bad (the war) has cost us billions. Sorry, I should have been more clear.