Patriot Act Abuse

This is disturbing...

This was allready posted in a string below.
But yeah, it's fucked allright. we all knew it was only a matter of time before they started doing this.

Where was Salon.com when Janet Reno abused the RICO laws to arrest anti-abortion protestors outside clinics?

RICO? Never heard about that.

Does make me curious as to how RICO applies to anti-abortion protestors.

[Edited on Sep 15, 2003 by CE20934]

Yipe.
The Patriot act stinks. Does anyone know which candidate would restrict or roll back the most onerous provisions of the act?

Look to the Libertarians and Greens for that.
Both Parties oppose it.

Big Brother is watching you...

Frankly, for now I'm glad I'm in Canada and out politicians haven't yet made things nearly as drastic as in the US. Although, I think only their unwillingess to pay for draconian measures prevented it so far. Of course, there'll be elections either in late 2004 or 2005 and that could change things.

*says in a baby voice*
* Aaaah, Poor widdle biddy criminals, dey might go to jail wonger, mean ol' nasty prosicutors, whaaa.*

Well hey, maybe, just maybe they shouln't be carrying pipe bombs around or building meth labs in the first place.....

Hey, "If you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to worry about"... with any luck someday, maybe, people will realise that that maxim isn't true and we all actually need to worry about the removal of our rights...

I don't think that the two examples this story gave says that.

Oh, I think I understood it well enough. The author is clearly trying to make the patriot act look like a bad thing.
All I'm saying is he used really bad examples of those two people that made pipe bomb and (accused of) meth labs are going away because longer because of it. The pipe bomb at first glance looks like it fits as a failed act of terrorism. The meth lab,well, that's a push, but it could fit ( what if a meth labber purposly made a bad / fatal batch?). Now, on the other hand, if some guy is gatting nailed via patriot act for jay walking, that would be a little to far fetched.

Wow. It's nice to know that if I were to put a can of say, paint thinner, in a neighbor's garage and it were to rupture because it got too hot in there I could be charged with using a "chemical weapon of mass destruction." I guess that we really were wholly justified in invading Iraq to get all their WMDs.

I think the problem is that too many Americans are looking at the issue as if it doesnt apply to them. I see that Americans are selling their rights for a false sense of security. Once you give up your rights, you dont have any control nor will you know the consequences of what your government might do in the future to harm you. Since I believe that the drug war is a pathetic joke and have seen and read many cases proving that, then why the hell do I care if they catch methlabs? That wasnt suppose to be what the act was for, but I knew right away that it was going to be for the gain of the government and going to harm US citizens. I mean how much progress, except catching drugdealers, have they made with this act? Are we safe from terrorism? NO. So the act hasn't been validating it's purpose.

Why the hell would a methcook make a fatal batch on purpose? That would defeat the purpose. Now THAT is far fetched. You have more of a chance of the kid at taco bell tainting your bean burrito cuz he wouldnt have much to lose. Now there's the enemy.

so making crack and trickin ederly people this is ok and seen as run of the mill crimes i think these are bad examples maybe its just me

Then they should be processed according to the laws they broke, not under the banner of an act intended to prevent terrorism! It's not 'ok' to do these things, but life isn't black and white either and criminals aren't automatically terrorists.

Once 'unlawful action = terrorism' then I feel it'll be Game Over for any actual rights...you could then bend the laws so that anyone is covered by it and can consequently be erased if they disagreed with authority.

their still bad examples

How can they be bad examples?

They're examples of criminal activity which is being dealt with by an act intended to combat terrorism.

Can't you see that??

Here are a few articles from various publications that are compiled at Commondreams.org about the Patriot Act and Patriot Act II. There are many, many more articles about the subject here. It's a great site if you're concerned about the rapid breakdown of democracy in this country.

Patriot Act spurring unlikely alliances:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0415-04.htm

Watch what you check out at the library!
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0119-03.htm

Patriot Act II - even scarier:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0221-04.htm

can't ya see there criminal activities all criminal activities are especially with no good moral cuz at all. using such crimes are bad examples.

now if they were religous gatherings, peta, green peace, or protests than ya thats wrong the article has a strong or good examples to back the article.

bad freakin examples in the article the examples are weak don't try to change me geez

[Edited on Sep 17, 2003 by fiendish]