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CubistPoet

CubistPoet

Dover, AR
December 2002

SEP 14, 2003 01:35 PM

Aka The Thread That I'm Putting on Life-Support.

Morgan said:
I found some vaguely disturbing quotes from an interview with Lyne in Susan Faludi's "Backlash" (this interview was done after Fatal Attraction so it focuses on that film):

"You hear femininists talk, and the last ten, twently years you hear women talking about fucking men rather than being fucked, to be crass about it. IT's kind of attractive, however liberated adn emancipated it is. It kind of fights the whole wife role, the whole childbearing role. Sure you got your career and your success, but you are not fulfilled as a woman...

If you really want to know, I'm really tired of feminists, sick of them. They've really dug themselves into their own grave. Any man would be a fool who didn't agree with equal rights and pay but some women, now, juggline career, lover, children, wifehood, have spread themselves too thing and are very unhappy. It's time they looked at themselves and stopped attacking men. Guys are going through a terrible crisis right now because of women's unreasonable demands"

I was pretty shocked that that kind of stuff could come out of his mouth.

frown



My question, my reply, my message of the day if you will:

How distorted is his perspective on feminism from the common view?

richiedagger

richiedagger

I'm lost
July 2003

SEP 14, 2003 01:59 PM

i don't even wanna touch this one.

Rybo

Rybo

Portland, OR
May 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:00 PM

:runs screaming into the night:

Too

Too

Fiji
August 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:02 PM

*reads thread. runs for life*

troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:10 PM

This is in lifestyle, why?
Your question, "How distorted is his perspective on feminism from the common view?" is pointless: his perspective isn't clear, and there is no obvious "common view" of feminism.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

SEP 14, 2003 02:15 PM

*rolls up sleeves, spits in palms of hands, strides in to the room*

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.... can I get back to you later?

No really. I'll leave it and come back when I have time. tongue

nobodaddy

nobodaddy

Burlington, VT
August 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:17 PM

more boobies please.

richiedagger

richiedagger

I'm lost
July 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:19 PM

nobodaddy said:
more boobies please.



haha...yeah this thread is seriously lackin boobies.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 14, 2003 02:32 PM

CubistPoet said:
Aka The Thread That I'm Putting on Life-Support.

How distorted is his perspective on feminism from the common view?



My answer to that is, I have no friggin clue how distorted his perspective on feminism is. I don't understand feminism, it's agenda or it's core belief structure. So, I couldn't intelligently argue the pros or cons of feminism.

That being said, I think anyone with a radical or extremist outlook on "gender roles", for lack of a better term, is an idiot. That applies to both the male who thinks that a man's home is his castle, and the female who thinks all men are latent rapists and bent on keeping the glass ceiling firmly in place.

SYH

SYH

Redford, MI
February 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:51 PM

*stares at question, Neanderthal mind desiring more boobies*

Uh...

*notices "Round 1"*

Shit.

*backs slowly away from this thread*

This is a train wreck waiting to happen. *sits on the sidelines*

resonator

resonator

Morehead City, NC
August 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:54 PM

Cash said:
I think anyone with a radical or extremist outlook on "gender roles", for lack of a better term, is an idiot. That applies to both the male who thinks that a man's home is his castle, and the female who thinks all men are latent rapists and bent on keeping the glass ceiling firmly in place.




word.

'nuff said, i think.

xoxo



[Edited on Sep 14, 2003 by resonator]

richiedagger

richiedagger

I'm lost
July 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:54 PM

allright allright...lets get this party started.

FUCK FEMINISTS AND ALL THEIR STUPID BITCHY WHINING. IT'S NOT OUR FAULT THAT GOD MADE YOU INFERIOR.

*waits anxiously/nervously for shit to start exploding*

Nescafe

Nescafe

Winter Park, FL
June 2003

SEP 14, 2003 02:57 PM

i thought all men were rapists and bent on keeping the glass ceiling firmly in place....

CubistPoet

CubistPoet

Dover, AR
December 2002

SEP 14, 2003 03:07 PM

A very active thread considering how little has actually been *said*. tongue

CubistPoet

CubistPoet

Dover, AR
December 2002

SEP 14, 2003 03:08 PM

Ok.

What I really want to hear is whether you think the man's comments on feminism are accurate with your own thoughts or understanding thereof?

Minty

minty

I'm lost
February 2003

SEP 14, 2003 03:47 PM

There are as many perspectives on feminism as there are men and women. I also believe that there is room for as many gender roles as you care to define. It is when those roles become laden with value judgements that you get into trouble. In the US, we have generally subscribed to an inaccurate historical perspective that roles for men are based around power and rationality and roles for women are based around subordination and emotion, and that one is good and that one is bad and that these roles are sex based. We're having some confusion getting out of that, and some of the feminist militancy is in reaction to this inaccuracy, which runs deeply in our culture. I figure it's a lot like a rubber band...it's been stretched in one direction for so long that we're going to need some fairly substantial stretching in the other direction in order to get any kind of equilibrium.

Anyway, I'm not in any way "versus" men. If y'all want to help, great. If you want to be critical, that's fine. It's really nothing that we haven't been facing for a while anyway. Thanks for asking though. I hope I didn't fall for some kind of bait, I'm still new to the message boards here. smile

CubistPoet

CubistPoet

Dover, AR
December 2002

SEP 14, 2003 03:54 PM

minty said:

Anyway, I'm not in any way "versus" men. If y'all want to help, great. If you want to be critical, that's fine. It's really nothing that we haven't been facing for a while anyway. Thanks for asking though. I hope I didn't fall for some kind of bait, I'm still new to the message boards here. smile



The title of the thread is a joke. To those who don't know me, I'm fond of smarmy ironical titles. tongue

There's nothing bait-like. I'm not attempting to start a flame war. I was jus reading the quoted comment above, and it made me think that his opinions were not necessarily that unusual.

A lot of people seem to think that feminism is actually doing some sort of harm or disservice to men. And I'm curious how people feel about the whole issue here of all places, regarding how feminism and the rise there of has influenced, if at all, masculinity. And secondly, how feminism is viewed in the public uninformed eye (which is to say those who don't know a great deal about it first hand).

That's all.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 14, 2003 04:56 PM

I'd say Lyne's comments are very much a part of the backlash against feminism that comes from people (not just men) who are fearful of women's rights and feel somehow "disenfranchised" because their long-standing power is being threatened. I don't know why people feel that men are emasculated by feminism or why they decide that feminists are bitches...but I do know it's very convienient for the media and society to espouse that view because it means they don't have to take feminists seriously. It becomes easier for people to say "oh, you women have equal rights all the way now, women who say they don't are just complaining" if feminists are portrayed as grasping, desperate, and castrating.

wow. whatta rant. sorry!

schoolgirl

schoolgirl

Christmas Island
May 2003

SEP 14, 2003 05:13 PM

who cares? all the men that don't take women seriously have the radical feminists and damsels in distress to thank for it. every time you have a men verses women thing it adds to a separation that doesn't need to exist. feminists? just be people.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 14, 2003 05:19 PM

That's what I'm doing as a feminist...trying to change the world so that women have the same rights as any person. We can't all "just be people" when things are unequal. As soon as racism, sexism, homophobia, and all kind of other general bigotries and inequalities stop existing, we can talk about just being people.

And all the men who don't take women seriously only have their stupid selves to thank.

[Edited on Sep 14, 2003 by Morgan]

elan

elan

Puyallup, WA
April 2003

SEP 14, 2003 06:10 PM

hmm... I see a valid point here... Now, I agree that the feminist movement is about equal rights... and I believe women should have those same rights as their male counterparts... however, I do think one thing got messed up in this movement. Its almost impossible for a woman who choses to stay home with her kids to do so. I, myself *want* to be the "wife" in stereotypical sense, however, I want to be thought of as an equal. Just with a very different job. The economy now is set up for families with two people working... not exactly fair for those of us who choose the roll of wife/mother.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 14, 2003 06:18 PM

Johanna, I think the lack of respect or support from the government that you recieve for your choice is also a feminist issue, actually. Whether a woman decides that she wants to stay home or decides that she wants to go into the workforce, her choice should be respected. I think it's great and shows a lot of strength that you are choosing to do what you want to do with your life...the fact that people don't treat your decision with respect is an issue that a lot of feminists see as important as well, and a lot of feminists believe that that lack of respect is because of sexism.

And any woman who tells you that your choice isn't valid and calls herself a feminist is wrong. on both counts. smile

handle

handle

I'm lost
July 2003

SEP 14, 2003 06:20 PM

I'm not wrong your wrong. Your not better were better. Nya nya nya nya nya. There I just summarized everything that's wrong with a feminist movement in 15 words.

Morgan

Morgan

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

SEP 14, 2003 06:25 PM

your = "you're". were = "we're"

And are you saying that what's wrong with the feminist movement is disagreement between different factions of the movement? Or the fact that feminists don't agree with you? Or what?

Really, I have no idea what you just said.

raygunray

raygunray

Tampa, FL
June 2003

SEP 14, 2003 06:31 PM

Hey, is that the dryer?" [slinks away all chickenshit]
bok bok bok bok

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